to believe H&M because of defamation laws?

[Shejustwentthere]

I've watched the full series on Harry and Meghan.
A few things have struck me.
The most important thing is that there are defamation laws in England. Damage to your reputation is grounds for pursuing such a case. That no such case has yet been initiated by William or Kate, suggests that there is truth in Harry and Meghan's version of events.
Meghan comes across as very vulnerable but very real. She also comes across as very much in love still; as does Harry.
I admire Harry for his decision to leave. I do buy his logic; if the tax payer had even 1% of a contribution to their lives financially, the media could then claim a public interest.
Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent. He has always been touted as the dumb one. He seems to be very much more than some dumb guy.
He adores Meghan and that seems to be reciprocated. She gave him an out.

Harry is very much is mother's son. Diana would have supported Meghan I think. I think they were kindred spirits (Diana and Harry) in a way. Pawns in the game where the king and queen reign...

Are you British or American?

I agree. Totally self-indulgent whiners. I wish I had as much to put up with as they do.

I actually liked them before they started lecturing us about the environment and then started using private jets to travel around the place.

I watched a bit of this

I'm sorry, but these guys are projecting massively. It is impossible not to. Oh and also clearly doing this for questionable reasons.

It's hard to take this seriously.

Exactly THIS.

@Shejustwentthere

"Woe betide the man who dates me and expects me to obey some sort of family traditions, in contradiction of who I am fundamentally, when I meet his family! That would the end of that relationship."

I think you're safe!!!
Your posts suggest you don't have to worry about the prospect of marrying into probably the most famous family in the world and having to 'obey' or respect tradition.

The expectation/weight of becoming a senior royal shouldn't have been a shock.

She knew who she was marrying, was happy for the country to foot the bill for that and also complain about the size of H's batchelor pad in one of the most prestigious postcode in the UK whilst waiting for Frogmore Cottage. It's not difficult to google how to curtsey without the dramatised/Disney/Hollywood version (or piss take). Let's not pretend she's an idiot, without access to understanding what she was buying into.

Diana would have supported Meghan I think.

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Diana had emotional nous.

Totally agree. If they want privacy why don't they stop using the royal titles and go away?

I don't think defamation laws give any weight to whether they are telling the truth. If Will and Kate took it to court the public would have a right to know more about their private lives, conversations and events. Whether innocent or guilty it wouldn't benefit them only fuel the public scrutiny. I have watched it and have empathy for them. Him as someone who clearly feels they were not given the support he desperately needed as a child and someone who was born into a gilded cage and her as someone whose wings were clipped to be stuffed into a cage and who was then unfairly treated in comparison to Kate. They lost the moral high ground well and truly when they claimed to have married the day before they actually did though. A very quick and simple lie that makes you well and truly question everything said by them

She did know who she was marrying, and that is key. She knew exactly who she was marrying and the sort of fame that would bring. The sort of wealth .

harry however fed her vanity , he even says it on the documentary. That she was going to be the star, revitalise the monarchy , which quite frankly was deeply offensive to the queen and the rest of his family.

That some bit part American acresss was going to roll in and save the monarchy and show them the way forward. The last thing the queen needed was Meghan Markle to show her how it was done. And neither did Charles William or Kate, it’s so utterly ludicrous as a concept.

and if anyone notices he bigs her up constantly , how she is beautiful, intelligent,warm loving, the next Diana She doesn’t do it back.

the queen apparently said she wondered if harry wasn’t a bit over in love. And you can see where she was coming from. He doesn’t even cringe when he goes on about her running the monarchy , their greatest asset, the new Diana. and them all being jealous of her.

can anyone in their right minds think that the queen, Phillip, Charles, camilla, William or Kate were sitting there going oh god, we wish we were as good as Meghan , she truly is the new Diana, we are so jealous of her fabulousness?

@Shejustwentthere

You are still yet to give evidence of why you think Harry came across as extremely intelligent.

I'm interested in your opinion on this incident from one of the early episodes.

When he first took Meghan to meet the queen, he gave her little warning. He said jokingly "you do know how to curtsy, don't you?"

Is that the action of an intelligent or empathetic man?

She tells this story and then it cuts to him saying. "How do you explain this to an American?".
He looked like a 6 year old trying to get out of trouble. Definitely not an intelligent man.

It's absolutely cringe @Thefriendlyone

They more or less said this in the engagement interview. How they were going to transform the monarchy and save it. Only they could. Delusional. If that's how they behaved they will have clashed nonstop with everyone, leading to her misery at people thwarting her ambitions.

Calling him "Haz" though 😂

Do you have a t-shirt that says "if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best"?

I think you should.

Well, they edited the Queen' speech to emphasise that the Monarch will serve the Commonwealth. One guy on the programme, I can't remember who, said that the Meghan looks like the majority of people in the Commonwealth and that therefore (based on her skin colour) she was best placed to represent a modern monarchy.

I found this at odds with Meghan's way of talking about visiting Africa with Harry in the early days of their relationship. It didn't sound like the trip was her cup of tea, she probably had never visited Africa beforehand.

One comment in particular sounds rather colonial and undiplomatic for someone who feels uniquely equipped to represent the Commonwealth.

In episode 1* towards the end, Meghan can be heard saying "we'll treat it like we're in the Bush, it's all foreign to me" *when talking about how to deal with the unwelcome Media interest when they first announced their relationship to the world.

I find this expression incredibly ignorant, othering and insensitive. It's disrespectful to the indigenous peoples who live in the African bush to compare facing/surviving the media intrusion, which they hate, with staying in the African bush. "It's all foreign to me" so she clearly doesn't feel a huge kinship and affinity with Africa as opposed to Harry.

This is just one of the many contradictions they lay bare during the various episodes.

*I can't remember who, said that Meghan

*It's disrespectful to the indigenous people

Forgive my typos.

"I'm a bit Megan."
"Woe betide?" 🙄

Who writes this shit?

In defamation, it is a complete defence to a claim to show that the statement is true. Section 2(1) Defamation Act 2013 states that “it is a defence to an action for defamation for the defendant to show that the imputation conveyed by the statement complained of is substantially true”.

This doesn't mean OP is right - she's very, very, very naive to make the assumption she has - but defamation laws give huge weight to whether the statement is true. If you can prove that it's true then it cannot be defamation.

Sorry my post wasnt clear @RunnerBum. What I meant was it doesn't matter if what they say is true or false the royal family will not argue it whether they have a legal right or not. It will open the doors to the public. They always take the stance of say nothing. Defamation trials would fuel the fire so I meant it doesn't give any weight to the argument on whether H&M should be believed. Diana was never challenged and sadly had she been she may have realised she had been tricked into giving the interview

@HappinesDependsOnYou
I don't think defamation laws give any weight to whether they are telling the truth.
Why do you think that?

Sorry - ignore the question - explained in cross-post

@WatchoRulo. I just answered in the post above yours. We x posted. I didn't write it clear. I basically meant it's a weak defence to them telling the truth when they know the family will say nothing either way. Their response before were "recollections vary" well known for saying nothing at all whether right or wrong to do so

I specifically mentioned England as it appears to be only the English who dislike her.

Meghan comes across as very vulnerable but very real. She also comes across as very much in love still; as does Harry.

No she comes across as totally fake and mawkish. Absolute cringe.
He comes a cross as a someone who has lost his way, overprivileged and going overboard on petty family bickering.

Both of them are quite narcissistic.

In love, yes.