to believe H&M because of defamation laws?

[Shejustwentthere]

I've watched the full series on Harry and Meghan.
A few things have struck me.
The most important thing is that there are defamation laws in England. Damage to your reputation is grounds for pursuing such a case. That no such case has yet been initiated by William or Kate, suggests that there is truth in Harry and Meghan's version of events.
Meghan comes across as very vulnerable but very real. She also comes across as very much in love still; as does Harry.
I admire Harry for his decision to leave. I do buy his logic; if the tax payer had even 1% of a contribution to their lives financially, the media could then claim a public interest.
Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent. He has always been touted as the dumb one. He seems to be very much more than some dumb guy.
He adores Meghan and that seems to be reciprocated. She gave him an out.

Harry is very much is mother's son. Diana would have supported Meghan I think. I think they were kindred spirits (Diana and Harry) in a way. Pawns in the game where the king and queen reign...

I find the way they call themselves H and M really grating, especially when her friends and relatives also call him H. It’s just weird.

I still have the last two episodes to go but so far I don’t like or dislike them, just as I felt before. I think the British media are savage and I certainly wouldn’t want to be brought to task by them. She knew the royal family before she met him and it’s disingenuous of her to suggest otherwise, there’s a v.famous image of her as a child with Diana plastered all over her bedroom… She almost definitely didn’t understand the protocols before meeting ‘Haz’ though so that probably did come as a shock.

I’d love to hear the other side of the story but I know that won’t happen.

You see this, is the exact mentality that British people have about Meghan. I've never seen anyone admit to it, so thanks for admitting to it.

I'm not English but it has always been very clear to me that it was this 'bit part American' which was the problem. Why couldn't she have been British? What's wrong with our lovely British ladies? Who does she think she is?

Pack of imbeciles.

Some English fucker?

I actually don't think that it was much to do with her race within the royal family. I think that it was that she was an outsider. The media did the race thing, she sort of shrunk away, then the media went apeshit at her and him for trying to shrink away and then the new baby. Why hadn't she done the photo on the steps? Why didn't we know the precise due date? Why didn't we know where they gave birth? Why did we not get to view the business end of her birth? Why is she such an attention seeking two bit actress who has no clue about our British standards? Why does she want to ignore tradition? Why is she wanting to not do things OUR WAY?

OK, I don't think that she had a clue about what the RF actually do or how they behave. Nothing wrong with that, but it feels as though she just didn't think it through. They aren't just a family, they are also at the apex of the hierarchy, and there is a an order within that. They are also a business. I accept that anyone might struggle with the system, I just feel Meghan wanted change from the family but that wasn't going to happen, or maybe not as fast as she wanted.

I would forgive her for singing this song lol

I know the line of succession of most within the royal family, but would I know how it was to live as the wife of the spare? I wouldn't have had a clue. She wasn't a gullible 18 year old princess in a Disney movie.

Op, I think you're getting a couple of things confused here.

I don't think most British (fuck off with your English nonsense) people were upset he married an American but she was essentially taking a new job when she married. Harry was aware of this and has said as much himself.

I think she was treated appalling by the press but she also has said some outstandingly stupid things.

If you don't believe in tradition or curtsying to the Queen then maybe don't marry her grandson? Just a thought.

How easy is it to 'detect bullshit' from a heavily-edited partisan documentary?

If I fall in love with a man who is heir to a fortune, I would not be falling in love with his entire family and the institution of monarchy. It would be one man.

Have you seen some recent photos? They look perfectly happy in them to me.

It's all in the eye of the beholder

Please God, let me fall in love with an heir to a fortune 😅

If I fall in love with a man who is heir to a fortune, I would not be falling in love with his entire family and the institution of monarchy. It would be one man.

And in that case, maybe he should have resigned from his role before they married and they could have both gone off and gotten jobs to support themselves?

No and neither would I, and frankly I don't think I would have married into the RF, because I am clearly working class and the whole system would be alien to me. However if I did, I would grab any help I could, I would ask questions, I would admit that I did not have a clue and understand that I was in it for the long haul. I would expect it to be years before I was confident enough to fit in. I'm just not sure that Meghan did that or thought that.

Incidentally, I did fall in love with an heir to a fortune and I left the relationship as I knew that I simply couldn't have lived by their rules. Looking back, I suppose he was my greatest love story, but I was very unhappy within the confines of the relationship. There was a cultural clash too. I'm not American, but I'm European and so was he. Their culture was very misogynistic.

There was a photo of them last night at the carol concert, taken from behind. When you saw the bank of photographers they were facing, no wonder he wasn't smiling! My grandsons wouldn't either (well, one might. The others definitely not).

I think that when something resonates or makes sense, I buy it. I don't buy much lol

Actually thinking back, (it's a long time ago), I knew that he was the only son and that he was expected to inherit and run the business. I knew that I couldn't live in their culture. We split up and I came home. He then wanted to move to live here but I knew that it would break his parents' hearts and that he would never be able to be what he was over here (language). So I knew it had to end.

I think you may have jumped the shark there Op.

It was the biggest heartbreak I ever went through. Would I have been better off if I stayed and conformed? Who knows.

What does that mean?

😂

Chelsy Davy? Is that you?

OP, please consider that this entire documentary is 100% one-sided - with emotional music, quips from carefully selected 'friends' and commentators... the lot. The whole thing is blatant manipulative propaganda.

Take a step back. Ask yourself why would the cameras have just happened to be rolling the second Harry gets the 'unexpected' text from William?

So many similar supposedly 'real' moments in this series - which they have been carefully and systematically curating for years.

The woman is an actress. She is a very beautiful woman. She is accustomed to everyone dancing to her tune.

They are criticising the media machine, while exploiting it to the max. They have been advised by lawyers, directors, you name it. Advised specifically on what is defamation and what is not. They know that not naming names is actually more damaging to the RF because it invites speculation (in the media). They are playing the media like a fiddle. This is what they are about now.

All the schmaltz would have been better left out. The orchestrated interviews of the crying friends - years after the events they are commenting on. Really? It's beyond ridiculous. The whole style is like the "Real Housewives of ...." - ie. 100% narcissistic, cringe-inducing and totally tone deaf.

They would have been better off just doing an interview - unrehearsed and genuine. People would have respected them then.

The public are not stupid. They understand that, as in any family drama, there is no monopoly of 'right' and ''wrong'. It is nearly always more nuanced and complicated. All Meghan has done is played the victim. No introspection. Half-statements and insinuation designed to invite media gossip. She knows EXACTLY what she is doing. And she is surrounded by Hollywood , schmaltzy 'yes people' who are intoxicated by that kind of narcissistic, celebrity culture and don't comprehend anything beyond that bubble.

I am no massive fan of the RF. But no, they will not respond. There is nothing to be gained from engaging with Hollywood schmaltz. They will just carry on.