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To think WTF is going on with Royal Mail?

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WorriedandScared93 · 13/12/2022 12:32

What is the actual point of them anymore? I sent a small parcel 1st class 2 weeks ago and it's still not arrived...

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Thebestwaytoscareatory · 15/12/2022 19:35

Yants · 15/12/2022 18:50

The current USO doesn’t actually guarantee next day delivery for anything first class anyway.
A typical daily posties letters mail bag probably has about 10% of its total content as first class stamped or franked mail.
That 10% of first class letters could easily still be catered for under a revised USO whilst the rest of the letters could be dealt with in a 3 day per week delivery model.
It's absolute nonsense to suggest the current 6 day USO needs to remain in place just to cater for the tiny proportion of first class mail that does still exist, even plenty of first class mail doesn't actually need to be delivered the next day, even things such as hospital appointments are sent out many weeks, usually months in advance.
Like I said even most posties recognise the 6 day USO as a farcical and pointless encumbrance... having to trudge up a long steep driveway on a Monday to post a Chums shoes catalogue, then on Tuesday to post a Cotton Traders catalogue, Wed's to post a Joe Brown's catalogue, Thurs to post a holiday brochure, ooh friday they've actually got a stamped letter woo hoo!... do you sort of see the point I'm trying to make?

There's plenty of things that we still technically have a 'need for' no matter how small that need is, that doesn't mean we should continue operating a hugely inefficient and labour intensive industry to cater for that need.

Never said it did, but the USO facilitates the next day service. As mentioned, DPD simply won't allow me to send something next day, neither will evri or yodel, the option is not there to do so. Royal Mail can facilitate this and offer the service at a cheaper rate than any of those 3 competitors. For some bizarre reason you're getting angry that there is a better, cheaper service in place already and want to do away with it.

Wrt the USO itself and the implications of delivering that obligation in the long term, do you know when the time to consider that was? That's right, before buying a company with USO.

The government aren't going to drop it because no matter how unimportant or outdated you think it is, it is still considered an important (some would say vital) service. It just so happens the the government found someone to offload the burden of delivering that service on to when they sold RM.

You also need to remember that RM made something like a £750 million profit last year, its not like they're facing administration or anything. It's just simply that the USO part isn't profitable for them and they want more profit to give away to their shareholders. They could easily meet the demands of the workforce but most elitist arseholes they want to exploit their workforce as much as possible to line their own pockets.

It's nuts that shills like you and Florenz are actually out there defending people like Simon Thompson. Why are you all so desperate for the USO to be dropped and workers rights to be erroded just so RM can funnel even more money from their workers to their shareholders? I can only assume you are one of those shareholders and have your greedy little eyes on a bigger payout.

Florenz · 15/12/2022 19:47

The USO should be dropped as it's expensive and unnecessary and everyone pays for it everytime they send a parcel.

Royal Mail is making money now but won't be very shortly if they aren't prepared to change as the world changes. Brand recognition will only go so far.

Banjoman · 15/12/2022 19:49

@Florenz interestingly @Yants thought that RM shares were undervalued in March….

What do you think now @Yants? Is your massive shareholding increase dependent on RM becoming a big economy? I think that’s why you’ve got such a strong and detailed opinion? And why you were recommending purchasing RM shares?

Banjoman · 15/12/2022 19:50

Florenz · 15/12/2022 19:47

The USO should be dropped as it's expensive and unnecessary and everyone pays for it everytime they send a parcel.

Royal Mail is making money now but won't be very shortly if they aren't prepared to change as the world changes. Brand recognition will only go so far.

You’ve got such selective reading, or comprehension issues?

Florenz · 15/12/2022 19:50

Everybody should want RM to succeed! They're a big employer and a lot of people would lose their jobs if they fail.

Florenz · 15/12/2022 19:51

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Banjoman · 15/12/2022 19:53

Florenz · 15/12/2022 19:47

The USO should be dropped as it's expensive and unnecessary and everyone pays for it everytime they send a parcel.

Royal Mail is making money now but won't be very shortly if they aren't prepared to change as the world changes. Brand recognition will only go so far.

I hate capital letters, but

THEY HAVE CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!

WTF don’t you understand!

but they’re not going to fuck up their family lives without a fucking fight!

You took a job knowing you had to work different hours, Sundays etc, they didn’t.

Again, they wont rely on colleagues to babysit, because that’s all levels of wrong.

Banjoman · 15/12/2022 19:54

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Excellent argument! If I’m low skilled must I conform?

PurpleButterflyWings · 15/12/2022 20:02

Tygger · 15/12/2022 17:42

We've started using Jacqui Lawson website, great for Advent calendars and also scanning cards, email them and the recipient prints them out, save about £2 per card, before deducting print costs.😊

Is this a joke? You send people 'email cards' that they have to print out at the other end? LOL! What a cheek! Most people I know don't even have a printer. Maybe at work, but they'll get into trouble if they're caught printing it out there!

Florenz · 15/12/2022 20:03

Banjoman · 15/12/2022 19:53

I hate capital letters, but

THEY HAVE CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!

WTF don’t you understand!

but they’re not going to fuck up their family lives without a fucking fight!

You took a job knowing you had to work different hours, Sundays etc, they didn’t.

Again, they wont rely on colleagues to babysit, because that’s all levels of wrong.

What will fuck up their family lives more? Changing their hours, or losing their jobs when RM goes bankrupt? If the business isn't able to adapt and evolve with the times, it will die. That's 100% guaranteed, there has never been an example of a business that has defied public demand successfully, when competitors have been happy to do so. Royal Mail staff are stuck in the 70s, thinking the company is guaranteed to survive just because it always has, just like the miners did, just like British Leyland workers did, just like the workers of any number of long-established companies that weren't prepared to get over themselves did. They're all gone.

Stop going on about childcare, because you sound ridiculous. You really think it's wrong for people to rely on friends, family and colleagues to mind their children, and paid childcare is the only acceptable childcare? Because you're calling the vast majority of people in the world wrong if that is the case.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 15/12/2022 20:30

Florenz · 15/12/2022 19:47

The USO should be dropped as it's expensive and unnecessary and everyone pays for it everytime they send a parcel.

Royal Mail is making money now but won't be very shortly if they aren't prepared to change as the world changes. Brand recognition will only go so far.

They made £750m profit this year and hundreds of millions in profit every year since privatisation WITH the USO in place. Why is it suddenly going to bankrupt them in 2023?

And what are you on about "everyone pays for it" everytime they send a parcel?? I've already shown that Royal Mail offer a cheaper and better service when it comes to letters and from what I can see they aren't uncompetitive on parcel pricing as things stand.

So we have a company that offers a better range of services for cheaper or comparable prices and generates hundreds of millions in profits each year and yet we have posters on here claiming they'll go bankrupt within a year unless the workforce is exploited some more.

Banjoman · 15/12/2022 20:38

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Banjoman · 15/12/2022 20:39

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 15/12/2022 20:30

They made £750m profit this year and hundreds of millions in profit every year since privatisation WITH the USO in place. Why is it suddenly going to bankrupt them in 2023?

And what are you on about "everyone pays for it" everytime they send a parcel?? I've already shown that Royal Mail offer a cheaper and better service when it comes to letters and from what I can see they aren't uncompetitive on parcel pricing as things stand.

So we have a company that offers a better range of services for cheaper or comparable prices and generates hundreds of millions in profits each year and yet we have posters on here claiming they'll go bankrupt within a year unless the workforce is exploited some more.

Exactly, it’s all down to greed!

Florenz · 15/12/2022 20:45

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I warned you several times. Reported.

Banjoman · 15/12/2022 20:50

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Abra1t · 15/12/2022 20:53

Evri are good round here.

Florenz · 15/12/2022 20:54

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Reported (again). I can keep doing this all night. You're absolutely disgusting.

NinjaWarriorCooker · 15/12/2022 21:00

Florenz · 15/12/2022 20:54

Reported (again). I can keep doing this all night. You're absolutely disgusting.

Why?

because I’m calling out your childcare choices? And standing up for RM workers not being forced into the same decisions.

I stand by it, you cannot just change workers hours and push them into the wrong choices or they’ll lose their jobs.

it needs compromise, which RM are not happy to discuss.

Spliffle · 15/12/2022 21:13

Aramox · 15/12/2022 05:03

Royal Mail have been totally clear they are prioritising parcels and not letters during the strike- why is everyone so shocked that no posties working = no post?
More irritating is people who should have realised putting important paperwork in the post - looking at you solicitor

They're not prioritising my guaranteed 48hr delivery parcel that they've now had for 5 weeks..

ChecoPerez · 16/12/2022 00:10

I'm not even getting mail when it's non strike dates. I'm waiting on 7 parcels for Christmas dating back to mid November.

I also have a small business where items were sent tracked 24 on the 7th and they haven't moved. Either showing as "we have collected your item" or "your item is at the national super hub". I'm scared my customers are going to leave me negative feedback on Etsy. One of my friends has already had negative reviews due to the strikes and Etsy won't remove the feedback as it's not in violation of their terms

Autumn61 · 16/12/2022 01:02

I thought this post was about the Daily Mail and I could 100% understand your annoyance, but , The Royal Mail, who deliver a letter across the UK in all weathers for less than £1,is in my humble opinion, great value for money . You do know there is a very highly publicised strike on at the moment ? Give yourself a shake ffs!

704703hey · 16/12/2022 01:11

Spliffle · 15/12/2022 21:13

They're not prioritising my guaranteed 48hr delivery parcel that they've now had for 5 weeks..

😟 nightmare.

I hope all the Xmas cards get there OK. I sent one card to another continent via track and trace, hoping I can reclaim the money as 2 months later it's still not there!

DrMarciaFieldstone · 16/12/2022 07:23

We’ve had no post in weeks. Hospital letters and birthday gifts for kids not received. Any goodwill for them is truly gone.

girlmom21 · 16/12/2022 07:30

Lancrelady80 · 15/12/2022 18:22

It isn't dark at 4:45am in the middle of winter

Yes, of course it is...but given they spend the first 2 hours (give or take) sorting up mail in the offices and loading up the vans, by the time they actually get on the road it is light. So your point is...pointless.

Well it's 07:30 here and still dark

Tygger · 16/12/2022 07:34

No it's far from funny, obviously it doesn't work for those who are not up to speed with the 21st century, but even my granny has a printer. At least you can be sure that they get something from you.