To think the British royal family has had its day?

starrynight21 · 13/12/2022 02:33

I'm inclined to agree with you. When the Queen was here it sort of made sense, but now we have this dysfunctional family which seems to get worse by the day. I'd be happy to see them go.

DogsAkimbo · 13/12/2022 02:35

I did not think I’d be one to agree with this, but yes. I think even when they’re doing a ‘good job’ (whatever that is) like Catherine, for instance, it’s just boring and irrelevant now. The queen was a link between the past and the present and without that, I just don’t feel anything.

mydogsteppedonabee · 13/12/2022 02:37

Yes!!!
I really hope they fuck off soon

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Ladybugpolkadot · 13/12/2022 02:41

The Queen was the glue that held this whole shit show of a family together … and now she’s gone. Feels like the end of an era.

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catandcoffee · 13/12/2022 02:42

I agree

showysnowy · 13/12/2022 02:43

I respected the Queen so much and it made sense how things were but I really felt for the woman to have lived such a life in such a standard she raised and even in that, her husband, sister, children, dil's, grandchildren etc have done nothing but disrespect it and shat on it each and every time she tried to hold it together. With the Queen now gone, there is no respect left to the institution. They can all piss right off now the lot of them. What a spoilt and dysfunctional family and actually a very shameful one.

skilpadde · 13/12/2022 02:46

The trouble is, to do what you are looking for, abolishing the monarchy, means moving on from focusing on the idea of the royal family being leeches and focus on what system you would put in place to replace the constitutional monarchy we have.

What system would replace it? A system of government like Ireland? France? Germany? USA? Do you want an elected ceremonial head of state, or do you want the head of state to be leader of the government? Is there a better system for the UK, or is a constitutional monarchy the least bad option?

Then there's the issue of getting mass support. Create enough of a groundswell of support that a major political party agrees to put a referendum on its manifesto. Get that party elected to government. It holds a referendum.

How are republicans going to push a "yes" vote over the line? We were promised sunlit uplands from the last referendum... look how well that that's going. How is post-constitutional monarchy UK going to be better for us? There's no £200M a week for the NHS con that's going to do it this time. When people will err toward the status quo, how do you get a majority to vote for change? If it's a no, it'll be put to bed for decades, so this is the one big chance.

And what about other countries with the king as head of state... Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica etc. Would we be forcing them into a constitutional crisis? Do we just not care about how we impact them?

So, yeah. So far as I can see, grumbling about the royal family will go on as it always has, but I can't see anything actually changing in my lifetime.

KateLoseslet · 13/12/2022 02:49

And what about other countries with the king as head of state... Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica etc. Would we be forcing them into a constitutional crisis? Do we just not care about how we impact them?

Jamaica have started the process to become a republic so I wouldn’t worry about them too much.

autienotnaughty · 13/12/2022 02:54

There's alway been scandals in the royal family. Princess Margaret and Prince Phillip had their share back in the day. Although yes the Queen never wavered in her responsibilities (that we are aware of) It's more financial really, Does the monarchy make more money than they cost? If no then I agree it's probably time they left.

FlairBand · 13/12/2022 02:54

This again..there have been loads of threads on this lately do we need another?

skilpadde · 13/12/2022 02:57

KateLoseslet · 13/12/2022 02:49

And what about other countries with the king as head of state... Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica etc. Would we be forcing them into a constitutional crisis? Do we just not care about how we impact them?

Jamaica have started the process to become a republic so I wouldn’t worry about them too much.

Fair enough, Jamaica's moving onward and upward. What are your thoughts on the other 13 commonwealth countries with the king as head of state? What should they do?

We're already an ex-EU country. Do we want to instigate the dismantling of the commonwealth, or do we think they'd figure out a way to carry on without us?

FeelWellEnoughToTellYou · 13/12/2022 03:00

I don't want to agree with you op, but this family have been an embarrassing shit show for two long. Agree with above poster that the Queen was the glue that held them together.

FeelWellEnoughToTellYou · 13/12/2022 03:00

*too

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Ladybugpolkadot · 13/12/2022 03:01

skilpadde · 13/12/2022 02:46

The trouble is, to do what you are looking for, abolishing the monarchy, means moving on from focusing on the idea of the royal family being leeches and focus on what system you would put in place to replace the constitutional monarchy we have.

What system would replace it? A system of government like Ireland? France? Germany? USA? Do you want an elected ceremonial head of state, or do you want the head of state to be leader of the government? Is there a better system for the UK, or is a constitutional monarchy the least bad option?

Then there's the issue of getting mass support. Create enough of a groundswell of support that a major political party agrees to put a referendum on its manifesto. Get that party elected to government. It holds a referendum.

How are republicans going to push a "yes" vote over the line? We were promised sunlit uplands from the last referendum... look how well that that's going. How is post-constitutional monarchy UK going to be better for us? There's no £200M a week for the NHS con that's going to do it this time. When people will err toward the status quo, how do you get a majority to vote for change? If it's a no, it'll be put to bed for decades, so this is the one big chance.

And what about other countries with the king as head of state... Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica etc. Would we be forcing them into a constitutional crisis? Do we just not care about how we impact them?

So, yeah. So far as I can see, grumbling about the royal family will go on as it always has, but I can't see anything actually changing in my lifetime.

Nothing needs to replace them. We have a government… The royal family have no say in the actual running of the country anyway… It’s not like the kings and queens of old times… They are ornamental, they don’t actually rule the country anymore, they are not even allowed to have an opinion…

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Cheekymaw · 13/12/2022 03:09

Absobloodelutely, OP.

skilpadde · 13/12/2022 03:14

Of course something needs to replace them. Our system is a constitutional monarchy. The king is the head of state. He has no power in practice, but he signs the laws. The government is the king's government.

If we want to have a UK without a monarch as head of state, then we need to decide on some other system of governance to replace a constitutional monarchy.

The country is not like some company that will just function with an acting-CEO for a few months.

So, how much constitutional reform should the country seek?

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Ladybugpolkadot · 13/12/2022 03:29

skilpadde · 13/12/2022 03:14

Of course something needs to replace them. Our system is a constitutional monarchy. The king is the head of state. He has no power in practice, but he signs the laws. The government is the king's government.

If we want to have a UK without a monarch as head of state, then we need to decide on some other system of governance to replace a constitutional monarchy.

The country is not like some company that will just function with an acting-CEO for a few months.

So, how much constitutional reform should the country seek?

Other countries seem to manage perfectly fine without some privileged royal to sign off laws they have no power to change anyway…

Im sure we would manage too

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RichPetunia · 13/12/2022 03:48

I'm totally on the same page and would never have considered it a year ago. It's just not the same and to be honest I feel sorry for Prince George that his life is already mapped out. As someone else said, the Queen held it all together. Now she's no longer here, I'd have no objection to seeing it end.

Spliffle · 13/12/2022 03:50

Definitely not.

jtaeapa · 13/12/2022 04:02

Why we are hell bent on destroying our own culture perplexes me. Most of us would not in a million years suggest that another culture should ditch its traditions etc. But when it comes to ours, we’re happy to just say fuck it!

I wouldn’t swap places with any of the royals and I don’t think they’re privileged. Yes of course in terms of money etc - but would you like to be Kate and have death threats regularly to your family? would you like not to even be able to go to Tesco without getting papped? Would you like to be judged and criticised for every outfit you wear? They bring in far more money and interest than they cost. They attract interested tourists from all over the world. They don’t even rule us - politicians do.

MarshaMelrose · 13/12/2022 04:11

If you replace the monarchy with a head of state they'd still cost money. France's presidency costs €100m a year to run.
If you don't replace them, then you're making the prime minister head of state. How can you expect them to perform their current duties and take on the extra things the King does. Where will they find the time to do it all?

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 13/12/2022 04:28

Ladybugpolkadot · 13/12/2022 02:16

I had a lot of respect for the Queen, may she rest in peace… But now she has passed away I just feel like the UK Royal family/ establishment should just be abolished.

The younger generations are not the same standard as Queen Elizabeth was. There’s so many rumours and so much scandal in recent times. And what have these people really done in order to justify leeching of UK tax payer money to fund their privileged lifestyles?…

Am I the only one who thinks the members of the Royal family should give up their royal roles and get real jobs and earn their own living like anyone else in the country?

Tend to agree. Who are they, really, to have such cushy lives relative to the rest of us?

What has Prince George done to merit more than any other child his age, for example.

Malariahilaria · 13/12/2022 05:03

Agree 100%. Sick to the back teeth of all of them. King Charles pontificating about climate whilst owning 35 big houses and flying in private jets. Queen Camilla who's so so lovely but shagged married men all over the place. Prince Andrew who paid a woman he's never met millions for something he didn't do whilst shouting at staff to line up teddies. Catherine the mute mannequin, William the dull man. Harry and Megan who will not shut up (and I was so pleased at first when she joined because I'm brown and never thought I'd see the day but its all just too Californian for me now). Versaille makes plenty of money without actual royals. The prorogation of parliament made it clear they have zero power or role other than waving. Time for it to end.

Prescottdanni123 · 13/12/2022 05:05

There was plenty of scandal in the queen's time too.

Once Harry and Meghan cancel themselves (which they are well on the way to doing, even in the US) and William trims down the monarchy things will get better.

I'd rather not lose the millions they bring into the economy, which we WOULD lose if we become yet another European country who got rid of it's monarchy. And the history surrounding Royal families for centuries will start to be forgotten. With how little some people care for history in a few generations kids will be asked when was the monarchy was dissolved, they'll answer with "We had a monarchy?"

And Kate and William are far better doing their charity work than doing night shifts in Sainsburys.

SnoozyLucy7 · 13/12/2022 05:59

skilpadde · 13/12/2022 02:46

The trouble is, to do what you are looking for, abolishing the monarchy, means moving on from focusing on the idea of the royal family being leeches and focus on what system you would put in place to replace the constitutional monarchy we have.

What system would replace it? A system of government like Ireland? France? Germany? USA? Do you want an elected ceremonial head of state, or do you want the head of state to be leader of the government? Is there a better system for the UK, or is a constitutional monarchy the least bad option?

Then there's the issue of getting mass support. Create enough of a groundswell of support that a major political party agrees to put a referendum on its manifesto. Get that party elected to government. It holds a referendum.

How are republicans going to push a "yes" vote over the line? We were promised sunlit uplands from the last referendum... look how well that that's going. How is post-constitutional monarchy UK going to be better for us? There's no £200M a week for the NHS con that's going to do it this time. When people will err toward the status quo, how do you get a majority to vote for change? If it's a no, it'll be put to bed for decades, so this is the one big chance.

And what about other countries with the king as head of state... Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica etc. Would we be forcing them into a constitutional crisis? Do we just not care about how we impact them?

So, yeah. So far as I can see, grumbling about the royal family will go on as it always has, but I can't see anything actually changing in my lifetime.

I think all the former colonies are probably more than ready, and will be very happy, to brake away from the commonwealth and elect their own heads of state. They are ready to move forward away from the archaic system they find themselves in.