To think the anyone but England mentality is cringe?

[SolitaryMind]

I’m Scottish, I was brought up to be anti English, SNP mad household, despite having English grandparents. I’ve always thought it made no sense, England is part of the UK like we are. I now have an English dp who is step- parent to my child, I support England in football as does my dc, every match my social media is filled with support for any country playing against England, I don’t get it! Can someone explain the logic to me, I can’t be the only one surely!

Right so on this thread I've learned I'm definitely racist. Racist of the 'English race'😆and also any race that plays on the England team, including my own race.

It's nothing else..just pure racism of English people and English players of any race. Got it 😃

"It's coming home" is literally just a line from one of the most popular England football songs though. Did anyone seriously think it was coming home? I'm English and didn't expect us to beat France. I see plenty of other fans on social media saying their country will win.

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God no I never expected them to win. Just it gets really old hearing it all the time. I appreciate maybe you didn't hear / read as much as me and therefore you were not as irritated by it. 😆

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/heres-how-daily-mail-readers-11411516

Read the comments included in that article and how they reflect english people supporting another one of the home nations. The comments about how 'Wales won't be in it' for long anyway are particulalry ironic in that case given that England lost at the knockout stages and Wales went through to the semis, where, as I mentioned above, every single person in the english pub very loudly supported portugal.

The comments suggestign wales is just part of england, sponge off the british tax payer, why do they want to be welsh so much anyway etc. are particularly charming, and, I would say very OTT and aggressive given the impetus for the questioning was about welsh people (in my view very reasonably) complaining about a shop in Wales only supporting the English football team rather than suggesting we assassinate the Queen.

You might know people who would support the other home nations, great, good for you, but you can't say unilaterally that the majority of engish people would do the same.

"Travis1
Because they still can’t shut up
about 1966 and the media ram it down our throats at every opportunity.

it’s like in other sports if a Scottish person does well they’re British but as soon as they fuck up they’re Scottish. It’s wearing

The media ram it down our throats- really? Where/when? I’ve hardly heard it mentioned.

Your second point- sorry but that is just not true -"

It's all the commentators talk about. Despite the game they are actually commentating on. It's a bit of a joke - we take bets on how long commentary will go in for without mentioning 1966 etc - not usually long! And this morning - you would have been forgiven for not realising more than one match was played yesterday.

And travis' second point is absolutely true!

But again, this is the whole point!!
Scotland is NOT England. I am in my own country, listening to the TV express support for a country that is NOT my own country. It is categorically not support for my own team. I think most Scottish people would be fine just ignoring it, many say ABE in jest - but then you encounter tides of people who start comparing Scottish not supporting England to Germans not supporting Germany and ABE starts looking more attractive by the second.

And this totally how explains how I feel. It's not the team (although as another poster has said, teams/players in the past haven't covered themselves in glory) nor the fans but the relentless attitude of the media that stirs the feelings.

It is but they won't admit their prejudice. Think a few of us should remember that when they next shout the loudest on the racism threads. They were certainly on the booze last night. True colours coming out.

Yes! This!

I am a huge tennis fan and it was incredibly noticeable how the media turned on him when he lost.

My dad (rest his soul) was the same.

Patriotic scotsman (Celtic supporter) who came to England in the 1970s, met my mother and had part English kids and yet right to the end hated England and wished any team other than England would win the football....

I think it's so wrong, surely support the country you've chosen to live in!!

Not just xenophobic, but also puerile, with a weak list of excuses for wanting England to fail.

Ah ok. So all the English people who chose to live in Scotland of which there is thousands should now only support Scotland. Got it.

Yes, it’s parochial and petty. Hated it as a child, hate it now. It never runs both ways, no way English fans would have that attitude towards a Scottish team if they were the only ones in uk left in a tournament. As a Scot I was cheering England to win last night.

Been debunked several times upthread - some poor sap actually did the stats.
Andy Murray is not British when he wins and Scottish when he loses in the media. It's simply not true.

Not just xenophobic, but also puerile, with a weak list of excuses for wanting England to fail.

Ah ok...replace racist with xenophobic in my post then.

I am purley xenophobic.

Club football is a poor comparison to international football. For one thing, a rival club doing well in European club tournaments can end up helping rival clubs get a place in European competition. It's called the coefficient.

Unlike Brazil, Argentina, Germany and others, the UK has FOUR different teams in FIFA and UEFA competitions due to football being developed in the UK historically. No real reason we shouldn't support each other.

And polls show we often do support each other to a significant degree. For example, in 2016 64% of Northern Ireland fans supported England. In this World Cup, a third of Scottish fans wanted England to do badly while another third wanted them to do well with the remaining third not particularly fussed either way, IIRC. And so on.

All in all, outside England, in the rest of the UK the England team is the most supported team out of the Home Nations. No wonder when the favourite players AND teams of football fans in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland ARE primarily based in England's Premier League. English football is VERY popular!

Every TV channel in every country expresses support for their own countries football team. Britain just has 4 of them. The BBC and ITV have supported Wales, Scotland and NI when they have qualified for tournaments. You can't hold it against England that they qualify for a lot more tournaments than the other teams. Blame the Scotland team and the people running Scottish football. Scotland has more people and a stronger football league than Croatia and yet Croatia have reached the semi-finals this year and reached the final last time. Scotland haven't qualified for a World Cup since 1998.

If you truly believe that Wales have received exactly the same amount of tv coverage on tv over the past weeks as England I don’t know what to say to you .

Now replace that with admitting you are a racist against POC and the forum would go into meltdown. As I said, England are fair game for abuse. There is absolutely no difference with the forms of prejudice and discrimination.

You have a problem with STV broadcasting England International matches, you take it up with the Scottish Football Association.

After all, the SFA sold ALL broadcasting rights to Sky which is why only Sky subscribers can watch Scotland International matches.

ITV/STV/UTV/etc can broadcast the England games and World Cup matches in an agreed deal with the BBC. So, those games are broadcast all round the UK.

The country we all live in is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. A single UNITARY SOVEREIGN STATE. We each live in a region of the UK called England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. No problem supporting each other unless those teams play each other.

Now replace that with admitting you are a racist against POC and the forum would go into meltdown. As I said, England are fair game for abuse. There is absolutely no difference with the forms of prejudice and discrimination

Okeydokey. I am what you say I am. Xenophobic/racist etc. I am definitely agreeing with everything you say. You have successfully changed my mind about myself and my ways.

Been debunked several times upthread - some poor sap actually did the stats.
Andy Murray is not British when he wins and Scottish when he loses in the media. It's simply not true.

No the same Guardian (the fucking Guardian!) article has been posted more than once. The fact that it had to be written in the first place speaks volumes.

Nah, pointless. Your sarcasm speaks volumes. Crack on.

Nah, pointless. Your sarcasm speaks volumes. Crack on.

Grand. You too!

Ta deary, I need no education on 'your country's' history, especially from an MNer! You actually don't know my country.countries luv.