To think the anyone but England mentality is cringe?

[SolitaryMind]

I’m Scottish, I was brought up to be anti English, SNP mad household, despite having English grandparents. I’ve always thought it made no sense, England is part of the UK like we are. I now have an English dp who is step- parent to my child, I support England in football as does my dc, every match my social media is filled with support for any country playing against England, I don’t get it! Can someone explain the logic to me, I can’t be the only one surely!

Of course english fans can celebrate their own victories, I never said they couldn't. But they should also accept getting to the quarter finals in an international competition and losing to the holders is a good performance.

I would suggest you also brush up on your languages and not look for oppresion, the Germans/Spanish/Brazilians/Dutch/Italians etc etc all have anthems about winning the world cup, they all know it is just an anthem that has taken hold on the terraces, the only people who take it litterally are the ABE crowd and those who don't really watch football and think all 'other' supporters are respectful, it is like the last Euros where people where calling out racism among england supporters (which turned out to be some random in the middle east) and support Italy where bananas are regulalry thrown onto the pitch against black players

Good points. The Coming Home song clearly says that we haven't won for decades but it hasn't stopped us dreaming. Hardly offensive or claiming we're the best to be saying we haven't won for so long right there in the song!

I would suggest you also brush up on your languages and not look for oppresion, the Germans/Spanish/Brazilians/Dutch/Italians etc etc all have anthems about winning the world cup, they all know it is just an anthem that has taken hold on the terraces, the only people who take it litterally are the ABE crowd and those who don't really watch football and think all 'other' supporters are respectful, it is like the last Euros where people where calling out racism among england supporters (which turned out to be some random in the middle east) and support Italy where bananas are regulalry thrown onto the pitch against black players

Good points. The Coming Home song clearly says that we haven't won for decades but it hasn't stopped us dreaming. Hardly offensive or claiming we're the best to be saying we haven't won for so long right there in the song!

Older posters like moi are have only just recovered from English media induced PTSD in the wake of 1966. In the interim the fans became more boorish , the players multimillionaires and the media more rabid.

These things coincided with a decline in the fortunes of the team which in turn led to a bit of schadenfreude.

But....the current iteration of England seem like very decent guys as does the manager. The fans include - gasp - women and children. The media are not fully on board with these changes - witness the sniping at Rashford for talking about child poverty. I think many Celtic nation ppl are more kindly disposed towards them lately. But would this new attitude survive them winning the WC ...

This thread is disingenuous ime and the timing is interesting. Twenty minutes after the England-France match suddenly there is a focus on Scottish support? Only a (very small) minority of people are very caught up in the ABE. Most people that I know don't care who wins. 1966 comes up a lot - but that's probably fair enough when there is a lot of people talking to us. (I know England isn't a huge country but it is 11 times the size of Scotland). Just get over it - support who you want and don't get caught up on all this nonsense. I don't think the football hooligans represent all of the England fans - If you want to think ABE represents all of Scotland then that is your decision, but you would be wrong.

I'm Irish but living in England. The only time I don't want England to win is if they're playing Ireland.

During the last rugby world cup I was in Ireland for the quarter and semi finals and was shocked that people thought we wouldn't support England as Ireland were out.

England is where we live, work etc. Where our kids were born and go to school

I don't in any way feel English but to not support the teams would be childish

See what I mean. I just don't get the disdain between parts of our own country.

You can still want an independent Scotland and be respectful towards England and English people.

I expect one contribution to the feelings the OP describes has been the way UK governments have behaved towards Scotland in general, especially those led by Margaret Thatcher. Though nowadays the ill treatment has been consistent towards everyone except mates and/or rich people, be it in any of the nations of the United Kingdom.

Agreed.

In Ireland there is also a lot of history there that many English people seem to have no idea about. It's naive to expect that not to have any impact. The relationship between the two countries was finally normalised since the Good Friday agreement and then along comes Brexit to mess with it again.

We don't feel England is on our side, so why should we be on theirs?

It doesn't mean there's any bad feeling or dislike towards ordinary English people, and indeed this iteration of the English football team seem like decent young lads. But as a country, England has not been kind to its neighbours so you can't expect those neighbours to be dancing in the streets for them.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with jealousy, I wish the people saying that would have a good think about their country's treatment of others.

I do think this England team are decent guys and I felt very sorry for Harry Kane last night. A lot of Irish people probably feel the same.

No one has said all of Scotland are xenABEphobes. Clearly that's not true just from reading this thread alone.

I did see that Thebestwaytoscareatory wrote Today at 00:25 that "No one in the world likes you" but that just reflects her own xenophobia

Fancy we 'little Englanders' wanting our country to win the world cup. Fancy us singing a harmless song. Aren't we really deserving of the clear xenophobia from a handful of hypocritical posters? They are the first to jump on you though if you dare have an opinion which differs to theirs.

Some people seem very caught up in that

That poster isn't the only xenophobic one on this thread.England are fair game for being on the receiving end of it, inasmuch as the UK is for being called racists, which we know means Englanders. Shame those posters forget they would have been at the front of the queue calling others racists when our boys were being booed for missing penalties in the Euro final. You either are or aren't against discrimination and prejudice.

Sorry, should we be letting xenophobia slide because it doesn't suit you?

It's local rivalry on a broader scale.

Nobody expects Everton fans to support Liverpool just because they're from the same city. Likewise Man City and Man Utd.

Brazil and Argentina are neighbours but they sure as hell don't support each others football teams.

It's normal. The horrible media and a small but nasty element within the England fanbase just adds to it.

Not supporting your football team does not equate to hating English people.

No, it doesn't but it does when the resentment gets personal.

Because lots of English people don't even understand what 'UK' is meant to stand for? What about the Northern Irish?

Can you link me to an example of the English British thing please?

What do you mean by your first statement???

I don’t get what you mean as no to letting it slide

But I’ll take your apology as I think it’s bad, and not sure why it’s more acceptable than other forms of hate

There is a simple solution my dear, during future competitions when/if England are playing go and visit/live in the other countries taking part and you will be totally amazed at the level of support for the German team in Germany, the Italian team in Italy, the Russian team in, er, Russia, it's really really simple!
I doubt that other countries have dimbos who can't understand the support for their own team, how frightfully zenophobic!!!

Allez Maroc!!!! I can say that because I used to live just across the water from there.

Exactly this some appear to not know the difference between England and the UK. Seen so many threads on here about the UK school holidays etc. Uk schools don’t break up till July etc. Ehh no you are referring to English schools. That is just one tiny example .

So why did you say a lot was being made of the xenophobic comments, one of which was removed for its disgusting content?

When England played Wales the other week I wanted Wales to win with a US/Iran draw, putting Wales through with England.
Most people will support any of the home nations in football, rugby etc., it's some of the Celts who will support anyone against England, usually because their own team is tucked up in bed at home.

Any other examples to quote in your obsession for hating on England?