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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

OP posts:
70billionthnamechange · 08/12/2022 21:01

@oakleaffy she's not fallen apart. She got very poorly. Good lord I guess it's not that hard to believe that the management are so heartless when lots on here seem to be the same. Like she's failed by being poorly.

Linning · 08/12/2022 21:01

Could she Au pair, OP? At least temporarily. It’s usually not that hard to find a host family, so would look into it if I was your DD.

oakleaffy · 08/12/2022 21:02

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:34

@Goodgrief82

Her white blood cell count was low when she went to hospital when first taken ill. They were concerned about that (that was incredibly worrying for her in itself), the health system in Canada seems very on the ball and she was given follow up appointments to monitor her white blood cells. Her white blood cell count did improve and it was determined it was just viral. She still was feeling ill at her latest follow up so they did a full blood panel and found ‘raised thryoid levels’, they believe it to be temporary though.

Hospitals in Whistler when my son needed one were great!
But he made the mistake of limping in to one , straight off the mountain without his insurance documents, and of course, that was no good.

{Broken ankle}
But when he'd got the documents from the shared house, it was superb treatment, zero waiting and very thorough.

musingsinmidlife · 08/12/2022 21:03

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 20:59

DD is saying the hostels let you get so far in the booking process then triple/quadruple the price, and also show as sold out. Sites such as Booking.com etc show “from $50” but that just means if you were to book at the cheapest time of the year. Banff is rammed in December.

She is telling you a tall tale for some reason. I use booking.com all the time. I just checked and there are dorm rooms available for tonight and the next four nights for under $50 and I went to the point of reserving them (free cancellation).

ganachee · 08/12/2022 21:03

Sorry I missed about your daughter’s ongoing symptoms when I wrote the above. I agree POTS sounds a possibility and think she should follow the advice of the doctor to have rest and little stress. Rest is very important if a person continues to get health issues after a virus so it doesn’t develop into something chronic. Also if when she returns to the U.K. and after they do tilt testing and diagnose POTS, some medical treatments can help but rest and little stress is also important for her recovery.

So I think due to her ongoing health issues it’s best she comes home, rests, seek medical adevice and then hopefully can do something similar in the future when her health is hopefully better. I do feel for her.

nothingmuchaboutjerry · 08/12/2022 21:05

This may have already been asked, but would finances not allow you to go to her? You could find cheap accommodation together, give her the hugs and support she needs, regroup and then perhaps go job hunting together? Obviously I'm not saying handhold her into hotel receptions, but just have a look at options. I know if it was my DD she would want her mum right now.

Kanaloa · 08/12/2022 21:08

nothingmuchaboutjerry · 08/12/2022 21:05

This may have already been asked, but would finances not allow you to go to her? You could find cheap accommodation together, give her the hugs and support she needs, regroup and then perhaps go job hunting together? Obviously I'm not saying handhold her into hotel receptions, but just have a look at options. I know if it was my DD she would want her mum right now.

Well op has said she absolutely couldn’t afford to pay for her daughter’s flight back as they’re financially on their knees, so presumably she also couldn’t afford to fly there and stay in a hotel for however long.

Nancydrawn · 08/12/2022 21:09

musingsinmidlife · 08/12/2022 21:03

She is telling you a tall tale for some reason. I use booking.com all the time. I just checked and there are dorm rooms available for tonight and the next four nights for under $50 and I went to the point of reserving them (free cancellation).

I can confirm, OP. You can get a bed in a female-only room with a dedicated bathroom for that room, right now, for £141 for the next five nights, at Hi Banff Alpine Center. It's a hostel, and you have to share sleeping quarters, but it completely exists and will be full of young people bunking in for the skiing.

Blowthemandown · 08/12/2022 21:09

Eyesopenwideawake · 08/12/2022 18:49

Her's a list of Canadian Workaway hosts looking for last minute volunteers;

www.workaway.info/en/hostlist?hidden=&showMoreOptions=0&search=&lang=en&is_lastminute=1&workawayer_capacity=0&languages=&date_start=&date_end=&min_stay=&host_rating=0&country=CA&region=&gnid=140&lat=&lon=&ct=northamerica&distance=

It could tide her over with free accommodation and food until she decides what to do.

@EmilioSoup did you see this from a PP? Might be useful.

MsDianaBarry · 08/12/2022 21:12

That sounds an expensive trip for an 18year old (as you also say you are on your knees financially so presumably could not help out). Credit to her for saving, booking, getting a job. She now sounds very fragile and needs to come home. Not sure why you are insistent that she can only find expensive accommodation - all sounds very odd. Tell your daughter you love her and get her home

Canuckduck · 08/12/2022 21:15

Although I agree the poster’s daughter was treated badly by her employer there is a lot of nonsense on this thread re labour laws, labour market and employer responsibility.

Employee standards vary in Canada province to province but we do have labour laws and employee protection. However young, unskilled labour can be taken advantage of in many places. Her manager is probably also young and inexperienced. You’re hardly going to hire a labour lawyer after losing a min wage job.

It’s unfortunate but if the employer is so awful it can be better to cut your losses.

rookiemere · 08/12/2022 21:15

I've also checked Booking.com and a room at a really nice condo resort that I stayed in previously is less than £100 a night for a week's availability. There are simply loads of cheap hotels and very cheap hostels if it is Banff we're talking about.

She's maybe got confused or not checked properly.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 21:16

musingsinmidlife · 08/12/2022 21:03

She is telling you a tall tale for some reason. I use booking.com all the time. I just checked and there are dorm rooms available for tonight and the next four nights for under $50 and I went to the point of reserving them (free cancellation).

I get the impression she really is trying to stick it out but is deep down scared, feels poorly and feels vulnerable. I obviously haven’t seen her in person so can only guess but maybe she doesn’t feel up to staying in a shared dorm at a hostel and wants the ‘safety’ and quietness of a hotel room to, in her mind, regroup. It’s hard to gauge when only speaking to her on the phone. It’s 2pm there and she’s out handing out CV’s. I still expect she just needs to come to terms with it not working out and then she’ll be on a plane by the end of the week.

OP posts:
Howdoyoulikeyourtea · 08/12/2022 21:16

Can the doctor she has seen sign her as too ill to work and her insurance then cover her return flight? I’ve no idea if that’s a ridiculous suggestion but as she is too ill I would expect insurance to kick in

AlecTrevelyan006 · 08/12/2022 21:16

I would phone her right now and tell her, as calmly as possible, to get on the first available flight out of there.

theres no shame in things just not working out.

MichelleScarn · 08/12/2022 21:17

Nancydrawn · 08/12/2022 21:09

I can confirm, OP. You can get a bed in a female-only room with a dedicated bathroom for that room, right now, for £141 for the next five nights, at Hi Banff Alpine Center. It's a hostel, and you have to share sleeping quarters, but it completely exists and will be full of young people bunking in for the skiing.

Found the same....

DD homeless abroad
GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/12/2022 21:21

But if she can’t be bothered to turn up on time?

Kanaloa · 08/12/2022 21:21

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 21:16

I get the impression she really is trying to stick it out but is deep down scared, feels poorly and feels vulnerable. I obviously haven’t seen her in person so can only guess but maybe she doesn’t feel up to staying in a shared dorm at a hostel and wants the ‘safety’ and quietness of a hotel room to, in her mind, regroup. It’s hard to gauge when only speaking to her on the phone. It’s 2pm there and she’s out handing out CV’s. I still expect she just needs to come to terms with it not working out and then she’ll be on a plane by the end of the week.

But surely she knows she simply can’t afford those extremely expensive prices for the quiet of her own hotel room?

Is she quite a ‘young’ 18? I get the impression from your extreme worry (saying she’s homeless, you’re worried sick, can’t sleep etc) that she comes over quite young. Either way it seems like she isn’t coping and I’d encourage her to come back. Tell everyone it just wasn’t for her - she won’t be the first or the last!

Kanaloa · 08/12/2022 21:22

If she’s telling you that’s the cheapest hotel when it isn’t too I’d wonder if maybe she’s elaborated/muddled anything else. I mean does she have a concept of basic punctuality? Was the review as harsh as she’s said or did it just come across harsh as she was so vulnerable?

TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/12/2022 21:22

theres no shame in things just not working out.

There really isn't. I had friends back out of shitty situations including a pig farm, a job minding very boring children, and a job being paid to do absolutely nothing (but she felt there was something off about it) and head home. The whole joy of being 18 is that you can say "Fuck this and fuck you - I'm going home" without worrying about your mortgage or your employment history.

I actually wish I had said fuck you to more employers and quit or got sacked from more shitty jobs when I was young. The mind expanding travel you can do anytime.

Summerfun54321 · 08/12/2022 21:23

She’s tried the resort thing and it doesn’t actually sound like she’s very good at it. Why doesn’t she head across to Vancouver or Vancouver island and do something else for the winter that isn’t based on being in a ski resort. Or she could try Whistler on the way over to Vancouver. She absolutely shouldn’t go to Calgary, there’s stuff all there for someone like her - it’ll be a huge culture shock.

There are plenty of trains and coaches that head from Banff to Vancouver.

Redkettle · 08/12/2022 21:23

That's horrendous your poor daughter

mdinbc · 08/12/2022 21:24

She may also look at house-sitting in Calgary. it will be temporary, but that will allow her to re-group quietly, then try again maybe after Christmas for a job and accommodation in Banff area.

Timing is very unfortunate, since airfares will be going up closer to Christmas. I would suggest making plans to come home within a week if she can't find something else.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 21:25

I get the impression the stuff said in the review has really knocked her mental health (she was crying over the video call yesterday for an hour), so she maybe isn’t thinking straight along with brain fog from being poorly. So it wouldn’t surprise me if she’s feeling vulnerable and not comfortable going to a busy hostel full of healthy young people going out, partying and hiking etc when she still doesn’t feel up to any of that. I imagine that would be quite upsetting, her feeling poorly in a hostel filled with wild young people having fun. So maybe she is using excuses. I think she’s just gutted at the way this has all panned out and she’s trying to come to terms with it all. I’ve no doubt she will be home soon.

OP posts:
HelloBunny · 08/12/2022 21:25

Must say when I was that age, and away from home working (I was in Paris), I’d have been devastated if my employers said that about me. They really should have let her down gently. Just awful for your daughter.