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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

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Hoppinggreen · 08/12/2022 20:43

MrsKeats · 08/12/2022 20:15

This is far too much for an 18 year old.

I have one and I agree.
Just get her home asap

stayathomer · 08/12/2022 20:44

There’s a thread around here somewhere asking if 17 is a child or an adult. Whichever it is when I think of an 18 yo I think that review is so harsh. Hope it all works out for your daughter op, that’s very tough

Alaimo · 08/12/2022 20:44

OP, hotel booking sites are showing availability in various hostels in Banff. Why is your daughter not staying in one of those? Staying in a £350/ night hotel is madness if she can have a bunkbed for £30.

Even if she does fly home next week she can stay in a hostel for a few nights, and save herself £1000 compared to where she is now.

princessleah1 · 08/12/2022 20:44

The person who wrote that evaluation is a dick. It's awful and unprofessional. Can you leave a review online to warn other people?
I hope you're daughter recovers from this, must be such a worry for you.

HappyMaltesers · 08/12/2022 20:44

Get her to move to the Youth Hostel in Banff. hihostels.ca/en/destinations/alberta/hi-banff

They have availability in dorms from less than $50 per night. They will also have noticeboards up with job adverts for local businesses, and plenty of other young people around for making friends.

Kennykenkencat · 08/12/2022 20:45

drpet49 · 08/12/2022 19:28

This. What a mess

Maybe because loads of 18year olds do it every year.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/12/2022 20:46

FInd a youth hostel and then a job. Worked my way around Australia at that age doing just that.

Blueblell · 08/12/2022 20:50

Sounds like she was unlucky to get Ill in her first week and they haven’t been very sympathetic. I would advise her to go to Calgary and check in to a budget hotel and see if she can find another job quickly. If not fly back.

Kanaloa · 08/12/2022 20:50

I think it’s a bit melodramatic to say she’s homeless and stuck abroad - she isn’t really, is she?

I’d encourage her to come home now. It sounds like she’s really struggled and maybe would be better off working at home and saving up a bit longer so next time she goes abroad she goes with a big cushion of savings. Some of the things in the review sound cruel/OTT - a good manager shouldn’t be saying they are a ‘hindrance’ as there is no constructive element to that. If she is struggling it’s because she needs support and a good manager would do that. Some of the stuff (no concept of basic punctuality) doesn’t sound great to be honest. Is it a case of it just not suiting her and maybe small issues being magnified?

musingsinmidlife · 08/12/2022 20:51

There are dozens of openings for jobs in and around Banff, everywhere is short staffed and having a hard time finding people. Search on Indeed. However Ops DD is ill. Too unwell to stand. She is dizzy, nauseated, fainting, and needing to lie down in a back room while at work. There is really no point in job searching when she isn't well enough to work. This review was already a blow, she doesn't need to be let go again. Come home with her savings and when her heath has stabilized, she can travel and work as she goes.

It is much easier to get a job in a tourist / ski area than in a big city, unless you want restaurant and coffee shop work. The tourist / ski resorts are filled with 18-22 year olds from around the world who came there for adventure and to work. They are fun places to be. Far funner than a big city. However none of that matters if you are too unwell to work and too unwell to have fun.

HerkyBaby · 08/12/2022 20:51

OP she just needs to come home ASAP, before anymore money and confidence is lost. She is incredibly vulnerable over there alone and without any support . Flights will be very expensive the nearer they get to Christmas.

oakleaffy · 08/12/2022 20:51

Kennykenkencat · 08/12/2022 20:45

Maybe because loads of 18year olds do it every year.

Many do, many are absolutely fine, but this girl for whatever reason is falling apart out there.

My friend fell apart at University and had to come home.. It was the start of a severe mental breakdown that none of us saw coming.

Not every 18 year old is capable of doing the year out thing.

ScentOfSawdust · 08/12/2022 20:52

drpet49 · 08/12/2022 19:28

This. What a mess

You have heard of gap years, haven't you? They're quite common.

Every year tens of thousand of 18 year olds go to work and travel in Asia, the Americas and Australia. A significant proportion of them will have had previous mental health issues (NHS stats from 2020 showed 16% of 5-16 year olds as having a probable mental health disorder. Rates of mental health problems in children and adolescents have only increased since then). The vast majority will have a whale of a time and come back with increased independence and confidence. It's disgusting that you try and shame OP for not foreseeing an unlucky combination of illness and a shit employer.

Even if she had foreseen it, she was still doing the right thing in letting her daughter spread her wings and get out there on an adventure. I hope her daughter manages to find somewhere to stay, get another job and explore Canada as she hoped to.

Sunnydaysahead2 · 08/12/2022 20:54

Can she use some of her savings to do something nice - even if it is just a day of sight seeing. Any chance of a few days on the cross country train (maybe to an airport with cheaper flights to the UK) to see a bit of Canada before she leaves? It would be nice to also have a few good memories from the trip.

Twilight7777 · 08/12/2022 20:55

I think if she hasn’t got any sort of support system, friends etc I would advise your daughter to leave asap, as the closer it gets to Christmas the more expensive the flight will be. I agree with the pp that said it sounds like pots. I don’t have it myself but I know a number of people that do. I think if the health of your daughter is not getting better she may have to consider that if she wants to continue to work, she may need more adjustments in the future, extra time to do tasks, a job in an office where she can sit the majority of the time. I’m saying this as someone who knows what it’s like to have illnesses affect work, and I’ve had to go on benefits and accept that I can’t work, as most workplaces insurance won’t cover my degree of health problems.

ganachee · 08/12/2022 20:55

@NorthAngel, my nephew when he was 18 went to Fernie and was a ski instructor for a season. He was a bit nervous just before he went but absolutely loved it and had a great time. It gave him loads of confidence.

I am sorry OP to hear what has happened to your daughter. I think she has been unlucky to get ill so soon after she arrived. I feel for her. If she can’t find another job with accommodation in Banff - I think so many of the jobs are taken before the season starts - then she will have to come home. I would stress to her it’s not the end of the world, these things can happen, and she can try again in the future. My nephew who went to Fernie at 18 for a ski season came home after that worked for a few months then went to Australia. Only then did he go to university when he was 20. He gained so much from those 2 years.

70billionthnamechange · 08/12/2022 20:55

So those bastards are making her homeless knowing she has nowhere to go. Oh my god

diddl · 08/12/2022 20:56

It sounds as if she needs to come home and rest to completely recover.

I think it has been handled very badly.

I wonder if they suspect that she hid health issues from them?

Psychgrad · 08/12/2022 20:56

I moved to Canada in my 20’s, back in London now. They don’t have the same HR rules that they have here and dismiss people very abruptly. Could she get a nanny/ au pair job? After getting let go from numerous retail and hospitality jobs (because it was all zero hours contracts and cash in hand) I decided to just nanny over there, money was great and allowed me get on my feet.

MichelleScarn · 08/12/2022 20:57

Is it the ski life she wants? What about Aviemore up in Scotland? Quite a few jobs going there at the ski resort and much closer to home!

70billionthnamechange · 08/12/2022 20:57

TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/12/2022 19:05

I think the best thing will be for her to come home - it doesn't sound as if she was ready for this step or is coping on her own.

She's just been poorly. How can you come to that conclusion based on the info given

musingsinmidlife · 08/12/2022 20:57

70billionthnamechange · 08/12/2022 20:55

So those bastards are making her homeless knowing she has nowhere to go. Oh my god

Banff has at least a half dozen hostels and many hotels. There are a lot of places she could stay but was probably panicked and didn't look around but stayed in the hotel were she worked - and that one was expensive.

70billionthnamechange · 08/12/2022 20:59

@musingsinmidlife I don't disagree, but you would have to be pretty heartless to give no notice under these circumstances

Psychgrad · 08/12/2022 20:59

Tbh I wouldn’t encourage her to come home just yet, the experience was amazing for me and I got so much from it.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 20:59

DD is saying the hostels let you get so far in the booking process then triple/quadruple the price, and also show as sold out. Sites such as Booking.com etc show “from $50” but that just means if you were to book at the cheapest time of the year. Banff is rammed in December.

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