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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

OP posts:
rookiemere · 09/12/2022 07:50

KimberleyClark · 09/12/2022 07:21

A bad performance review like that should not have come as a surprise, a good manager would have been giving her feedback and trying to help her improve before now.

Yes but she's not doing an internship at a Magic Circle company.

Supervisor may only be a teen themselves or have been told what to say word for word. They probably have just the staff they need for each shift and whilst it's certainly not the DDs fault she was ill, it would make life very difficult for the other co workers.

dolor · 09/12/2022 08:00

AnyFucker · 08/12/2022 18:53

She seems very young to me to be heading off to a new country in this manner.

New job, new culture, the pressures of living away from family, previous MH issues, no support around her.

What on earth were any of you thinking that this would have a good outcome ?

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LIZS · 09/12/2022 08:14

Did she buy a return ticket, can she swap the return flight dates and pay the difference?

emptythelitterbox · 09/12/2022 08:27

Because of the continued illness she should probably cut her losses and come home. My DC and I traipsed all around the world at that age and younger but didn't start off sick either.

She can save up and go somewhere another time. Make sure she gets all vaccinations before going.

You didn't say how independent, resourceful, and problem solving she is at home?

TheTeenageYears · 09/12/2022 08:44

I'm so sorry your DD was treated so badly @EmilioSoup. I would recommend joining the Two Fat Expats Facebook group and posting there to see if there's anyone who might be able to offer some assistance. What work do you think she can realistically do currently (and are there any restrictions on her visa)? I'm wondering if she could babysit/look after children, tutor maybe. There could well be some expats with space and understanding who would offer accommodation in exchange for help with the children especially as schools will just be breaking up for the holidays.

MRex · 09/12/2022 08:45

TSH doesn't go outside typical ranges temporarily just from a cold, it's underactive thyroid that causes that. It is possibly a pre-existing condition and can cause depression. What was the actual TSH level?

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/12/2022 09:05

EmilioSoup · Yesterday 19:27
Also, the risk if if she runs out of money, we can’t bail her out and send her more for a flight home. We are on our knees financially ourselves. We have nobody to ask. It would be a bloody disaster.“

Sorry but in those circumstances, I’d have done everything possible to dissuade her.
there’s always a risk with such a young person that something won’t work out and you’ll need to get them home.

EmilioSoup · 09/12/2022 09:43

Just had a text from DD, she is going to come home. She walked around with CVs but no interest from anywhere with accommodation. It’s 2am there, she’ll be getting the first airport shuttle later.

She hasn’t yet booked the flights, because the shuttles can be unreliable, and she doesn’t want to risk missing a flight, so she’s going to get to the airport, get her bearings and book there.

I knew this was going to be the outcome. I don’t think she wanted to just give up straight away but now she’s freely admitting she doesn’t feel she’s got the energy to cope with it, she is feeling ill. I am being positive, saying that once home she can see her mates again,
have a proper health check-up (without needing to mess with insurance etc, she was supposed to have more thyroid tests in Canada but she can go through her GP here), have a nice rest, then go back to her old job and save up again.

She originally was going to come home after being sacked, but as I say, well-meaning friends talked her out of it. Which is fair enough but she says she felt pressured because they kept accusing her of ‘giving up’. She’s just all a bit over the place, and depressed about getting ill so is vulnerable. I’ve no doubt with time and support from family and friends at home she’ll get back to her old self eventually.

OP posts:
SnoozyLucy7 · 09/12/2022 09:50

EmilioSoup · 09/12/2022 09:43

Just had a text from DD, she is going to come home. She walked around with CVs but no interest from anywhere with accommodation. It’s 2am there, she’ll be getting the first airport shuttle later.

She hasn’t yet booked the flights, because the shuttles can be unreliable, and she doesn’t want to risk missing a flight, so she’s going to get to the airport, get her bearings and book there.

I knew this was going to be the outcome. I don’t think she wanted to just give up straight away but now she’s freely admitting she doesn’t feel she’s got the energy to cope with it, she is feeling ill. I am being positive, saying that once home she can see her mates again,
have a proper health check-up (without needing to mess with insurance etc, she was supposed to have more thyroid tests in Canada but she can go through her GP here), have a nice rest, then go back to her old job and save up again.

She originally was going to come home after being sacked, but as I say, well-meaning friends talked her out of it. Which is fair enough but she says she felt pressured because they kept accusing her of ‘giving up’. She’s just all a bit over the place, and depressed about getting ill so is vulnerable. I’ve no doubt with time and support from family and friends at home she’ll get back to her old self eventually.

i think this is great news! You must be so relieved! And she hasn’t given up on anything. She needs to put herself first before any kind of experience. She’s so young, there will be many more adventures to come. I think it’s all going to work out for her, she just needs to be home, with you, to recharge and regroup and focus on her health.

diddl · 09/12/2022 09:53

For the best I think Op.

I'm sure her friends meant well-but it's a shame she listened to them!

KimberleyClark · 09/12/2022 09:54

I’m glad she is coming home.

Frazzled2207 · 09/12/2022 09:55

You must be very relieved. Hopefully she will be back home very soon can recover properly and then get back on her feet.

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 09:56

Sadly it's probably the best outcome all round.

I wonder if it's worth checking out the price of the flights yourself, so you can point her at a good option.

It sounds like she is sleep deprived and not 100% well, so could end up spending all the rest of her money as she is so keen to get home, whereas it might be £100s cheaper to stay overnight at an airport hotel and catch tomorrow's flight for example.

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 09:58

MRex · 09/12/2022 08:45

TSH doesn't go outside typical ranges temporarily just from a cold, it's underactive thyroid that causes that. It is possibly a pre-existing condition and can cause depression. What was the actual TSH level?

It can temporarily due to certain medications

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 10:01

One thing supporting your teen in gaining independence

Quite another to support what would seem an 18 year old in moving thousands of miles away with absolutely zero family or friend there AND who has a history of MH

I can’t get my head around this tbh

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 10:02

And with very limited family funds to assist when if the shit hits the fan

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 10:03

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 10:01

One thing supporting your teen in gaining independence

Quite another to support what would seem an 18 year old in moving thousands of miles away with absolutely zero family or friend there AND who has a history of MH

I can’t get my head around this tbh

She's 18.
It sounds like she went with friends and saved up her own money to go.
If she hadn't become ill, everything would have been fine most likely.

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 10:04

Oh and this thing about having family funds to support her sounds a bit elitist - are we saying that only adult DCs of rich DPs get to see the world?

As it is the DD has worked out a way home all by herself and from her own funds.

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 10:11

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 10:04

Oh and this thing about having family funds to support her sounds a bit elitist - are we saying that only adult DCs of rich DPs get to see the world?

As it is the DD has worked out a way home all by herself and from her own funds.

When a teen with no safety net at all is moving across the world to a country with no family or friends in… then I would feel much more anxious about encouraging if I couldn’t step in and help very quickly financially if needed

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 10:13

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 10:03

She's 18.
It sounds like she went with friends and saved up her own money to go.
If she hadn't become ill, everything would have been fine most likely.

She went alone

and did you read the performance review?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/12/2022 10:15

There's been some surprisingly cuntish replies on this thread. Your DD had awful luck, the hotel acted appallingly and she has done absolutely the right thing in coming home. Flowers to your DD.

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2022 10:16

Glad she’s coming home, you will be so relieved when you know she’s on a plane

DinosaurDuvet · 09/12/2022 10:21

your poor DD, I think they have acted incredibly cruel towards her in every way.

MRex · 09/12/2022 10:32

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 09:58

It can temporarily due to certain medications

No medication was mentioned. It sounds unlikely that an 18 year old presenting with flu/cold symptoms would be given lithium or interferon, even more unlikely that they would then be told by a doctor that the illness rather than the medication had affected their thyroid, no?