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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

OP posts:
weaseley · 08/12/2022 23:53

Sorry - on mobile I thought I was reply with a quote to you Op. re your message hoping she comes home

RandomCatGenerator · 09/12/2022 00:04

XelaM · 08/12/2022 22:30

Can you not just book the cheap hotel for her on booking.com if she's not up to doing it herself? You don't even have to pay upfront usually. Just book her a cheaper hotel for now to solve the immediate problem of the huge hotel bills

Yeah this, seriously. If you’re short of money at the moment too I can’t believe her spending $1000 in three nights is something you can just ignore.

lots of posters are telling you she should get cheaper accommodation. You’ve said if she gets down to £1000 savings she should come home; that’s obviously going to happen if she’s in an insanely expensive hotel. She will have to come home if she stays there, it’s just money out the window. If she’s sticking it out she needs to leave.

I get that she’s ill but that doesn’t justify wasting money you all don’t have.

Grumpycatsmum · 09/12/2022 00:06

Haven't read the full thread but are there other live in jobs? Does she have childcare experience. Nanny/au pair job?

Grumpycatsmum · 09/12/2022 00:07

Or a house-sitter?

Coyoacan · 09/12/2022 00:07

Poor thing. It is fatal to get sick so soon after starting a job. But I can just imagine how horrible it must have been being sick in a place where she didn't know anyone.

Salome61 · 09/12/2022 00:08

So sorry to read this. My daughter went to Hamilton for a year for her international degree, Canada isn't cheap.

Flights will become increasingly expensive with Christmas approaching - plus the weather and the danger of the planes being too iced up to fly. My daughter sat on a plane in Ontario for three hours one night, she had to go back at 5 am the next morning, they just couldn't deice the wings. I hope she can book a flight and get back soon and save again to go somewhere else.

camdenn · 09/12/2022 00:14

She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

I think you’ve all put unrealistic expectations on this trip. There’s always a chance things don’t go to plan so how is it “supposed” to be “the making of her”? You can’t switch mental health issues off after all.

Italiangreyhound · 09/12/2022 00:27

Awful situation. I would want my child to come home and get well again and maybe go again to a different place. And I would be contacting the employer and speaking to them about the situation. Terrible behaviour from any employer.

Stravaig · 09/12/2022 00:32

I still expect she just needs to come to terms with it not working out and then she’ll be on a plane by the end of the week.

This sounds right. The lingering illness suggests home and proper recuperation, both physically and psychologically.

The thing about adventures is they can go any which way! That's the whole essence of adventure, though our youngsters seem ever more oblivious. Society is raising them to feel entitled to an idealised life, instead of meeting the world with the curiosity and wariness which befits the unknown.

Your DD will harvest valuable experience and wisdom from this, just not what she pictured, and it will stand her in good stead on her next expedition.

I would tell your DD that she has had an adventure, and to cherish it, in time. And wasn't she efficient about it - she still has most of her year left!

In an ideal world we'd all be genuinely open to the unexpected ~ but meantime I'd also suggest your DD tries to 'tell all the stories' in future. Don't just daydream one happy scenario, picture all the possible twists and outcomes you can. Far better preparation for adventures!

Wheresmybiscuit3 · 09/12/2022 00:32

So sorry your daughter is having such a rough time if it OP 💐

kateandme · 09/12/2022 00:36

Keep bugging her up.
Your clearly worried for her op but don't let that cripple her.
She needs to no she's done nothing wrong and sometimes really ahitvthings happen.and shit people are shits!
She has plenty of time to see the sites.either now if she can stay or in her future.
Coming home doesn't mean failing.coming home means she's at least tried.shes been a grown up and realised she needs to 're group.
Tell her the work were asswholes.swear alot at them to her lol.make her laugh at all the names you call them.😁
She's been bloody brave in even going.
She's been braving in managing bring I'll there.id want my mum instantly! Still do when I'm poorly 30 years later.
She's had an adventure.it didn't work.thats not on her it's just on the moment in time it didn't work.
Let her see it's not her.but the situation that went wrong.dont let her internalize it.
She been to Canada man.most people of any age won't get there in their whole lifetimes.

kateandme · 09/12/2022 00:39

Also a reminder of the border strikes. If she wants to get home do it now! Flights travel being cancelled left right and centre atm.it would be even worse if she actually did get Stuk there having decided she needs home.

Usernamesarboring · 09/12/2022 00:44

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:09

Yes I suppose an alternative is that she tries to arrange a cheaper flatshare in Calgary (nearest city). But she doesn’t particularly feel comfortable doing that, and I get it too be honest. She just wanted a nice 6 month long job in living in the mountains (where the hotel is) and making friends, having fun. Going to Calgary and scrimping and saving to get a flatshare and looking for another job there seems like a waste of what’s supposed to be a gap year to have fun before uni.

Can she find something in europe? E.g. Ski resorts, hotels in Swiss or French Alps.

FerryYaBerryLa · 09/12/2022 00:56

AnyFucker · 08/12/2022 18:53

She seems very young to me to be heading off to a new country in this manner.

New job, new culture, the pressures of living away from family, previous MH issues, no support around her.

What on earth were any of you thinking that this would have a good outcome ?

It’s totally normal for young people to go and work away or go travelling at this age, absolutely no need for the judgement tone, @ any old fucker.

SnoozyLucy7 · 09/12/2022 03:51

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:59

I want her to come home and have been telling her too but she now has an attitude of ‘sunk costs fallacy’. She was nearly coming straight home after being sacked, was about to book a flight for that night but got talked out of if by a well-meaning mate over there telling her to ‘stick it out’.

also just to clarify, it wasn’t a permanent move. 6 months was her plan. A gap year thing.

There’s nothing “stick it out for”. She’s 18, she has her entire life in front of her. Some things just don’t work out, no matter how great the expectations were. She’s about to run out of money, in a foreign country, whilst recovering from illness. I’d definitely keep urging her to come home and regroup.

ChessieDarling · 09/12/2022 04:30

I’m so surprised at how many people are saying she’s ‘too young’ for this and it was too much to ask of her.. really? This is exactly the age that’s perfect to do things like this! It’s certainly the age my peers and I chose to go (if that was something we wanted to do!).
She’s been awfully unlucky to get so poorly so soon, and if she’s really struggling, she needs to know there’s no shame or anything in coming home early. She can always try again, whether that be this coming year or in the future, there or elsewhere, perhaps Europe?
However if she wants to stay, she needs to make some practical moves and do some sensible thinking. Her accommodation right now is too expensive, she needs to change that. Casting her net slightly wider for jobs is a good idea. Even if she just moves to cheaper accommodation and stays another week or two, she could get a bit of sightseeing done, just maybe not everything she wanted to do originally.
The first time I went to NZ, I was 18, driving tractors, and it was scary. Not the tractors part, but being on the other side of the world, being away from family etc but it was also such a fantastic experience so I understand completely why young people want to do it BUT that first season, I lived with an Irish chap who fell out with the boss after a few weeks (easily done, he was a knob!) and quit/was fired. It was a few weeks before Christmas and he was panicking because it was either ‘get a new job NOW’ as accommodation came with the job or it was ‘fly home NOW’ or he’d not be home for Christmas. We all tried to help with getting him a new job but in the end, eh went home. He needed to regroup on familiar ground (and that’s without health issues to contend with!!). He did another few seasons over the following years, and had an amazing time. I met up with him when we were both there the next year and he said going home was definitely the best thing he could’ve done. You can always try again, and so could your daughter.
this is getting terribly long but the overall gist is that she is so, so young. She doesn’t need to have it all figured out and sometimes plans just don’t come off like you’d want them to. There’s no shame in that. Best wishes to your daughter. Whatever she chooses to do, I hope she feels better soon x

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/12/2022 05:27

ganachee · 08/12/2022 21:34

I will also add, I am in my 50’s now but I got ME after a virus in my twenties. I am still sick all these years on (am not saying this will happen to your daughter). As I was young, wanted to work, socialise and have a life I pushed on when I wasn’t well enough. Employers thought I was unreliable as although I was still trying to go into work there were some days I was just too sick. People can see see a young person and think there is nothing wrong with them and they are swinging their lead when it’s the opposite they are sick and trying so hard to persevere. They are obviously not good workers as they too sick and can’t be reliable. I remember my mum saying come home for a few months and rest but I couldn’t imagine giving up my life living independently with my friends in the city.

The outcome was my health got so bad I no longer could persevere but had to give up working. I wish I had listened to mum advising to rest in those early months as that gives the best chance or recovery. I feel for your daughter. I remember so well being young, sick and no medical tests to say I have x. The medical profession are still not great with illnesses like ME, and now a form of long covid, but they are getting better and it is finally recognised good rest initially is very important. As said if she developed POTS too (I developed orthostatic intolerance a few years into my ME) then at least there is better awareness of that now and she could ask her GP to refer her to a consultant for tilt testing. The treatment for that could help enormously and if she still has other symptoms even with POTS treatment her functioning will still be better. But it still stands rest in these early months is so important be she have POTS, or post viral syndrome, or both. All the best to your daughter. If she comes home she is not giving in but looking after her health.

I also have ME. It is paramount that your dd rests. Now. Get her home is my best advice. These travel gap years are great until they’re not. You dd’s friend doesn’t have the understanding and experience of what they were advising your dd to to. She can return to Canada one day if she so chooses.

EarringsandLipstick · 09/12/2022 05:27

OP your poor DD. She's had a rotten run of luck.

The ins & outs of losing her job can wait. There seems to be a mixture of bad treatment by her employer but a lack of honesty too from her in what really happened. It doesn't matter for now.

You need to tell her to come home now, and talk to her only about those steps.

What kind of a Christmas will she have, with no established friends there?

No more telling her to come when she is down to £1000. She sorts a flight out today, comes home, and you make another plan for 2023.

midsomermurderess · 09/12/2022 05:59

‘Canada is a big place’. Ya think?

Psychgrad · 09/12/2022 06:52

I’m surprised if the level of posters telling her to come home, this is great experience for her. Not having friends yet and running low on money will only build resilience for any future challenges in fee life. She’ll get an au pair job m, send her this OP www.aupair.com/find_family.php?quick_search=search&countryQ=36&language=en

when she gains enough experience as an au pair, she can get a full time nanny job and make way more money than working in hospitality.

If she goes to a hostel, she’ll make loads of friends.

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 06:54

@Psychgrad

did you miss that she has been hospitalised and is still suffering health problems as a result?

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 06:54

@Psychgrad out of interest, do you have children?

KimberleyClark · 09/12/2022 07:21

A bad performance review like that should not have come as a surprise, a good manager would have been giving her feedback and trying to help her improve before now.

TheSilentPicnic · 09/12/2022 07:37

Psychgrad · 09/12/2022 06:52

I’m surprised if the level of posters telling her to come home, this is great experience for her. Not having friends yet and running low on money will only build resilience for any future challenges in fee life. She’ll get an au pair job m, send her this OP www.aupair.com/find_family.php?quick_search=search&countryQ=36&language=en

when she gains enough experience as an au pair, she can get a full time nanny job and make way more money than working in hospitality.

If she goes to a hostel, she’ll make loads of friends.

No, it won't "build her resilience". It is a myth that hardship breeds resilience. Hardship breeds vulnerability. Support breeds resilience.

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 07:48

If you can afford it OP, I'd start researching flights and see if you can get a reasonably priced one over next few days and offer to pay for it.

Someone said that flight prices will start going up for Christmas now, so getting her home before that happens is the right thing to do.

It sounds as if she's a bit stuck and not thinking straight, so if you pay for the flight then it's not like she can't come back in the NY if she decides to.

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