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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

OP posts:
Pickles91 · 08/12/2022 22:08

Hey! I have only had a skim read following your original post but gather she’s in Banff. I’m a British expat in Canada myself, moving over on the same visa and now a permanent resident. She chose a fabulous country for her gap year! I thought I would throw out some suggestions of some popular winter spots that she could look into for a job/accommodation that aren’t too far from Banff (by Canadian standards that is!!) - sorry if this is repetitive of a PP: Canmore, Jasper, Big White, and Sun Peaks. If she can get a flight to Vancouver, Whistler is the big well-known resort and I imagine plenty of jobs. A lot of gap year kids head there ☺️ There are lots of bus services from downtown Vancouver to the resort and they’re about £30. I hope she manages to sort something out!

Lemonlady22 · 08/12/2022 22:10

AnyFucker · 08/12/2022 18:53

She seems very young to me to be heading off to a new country in this manner.

New job, new culture, the pressures of living away from family, previous MH issues, no support around her.

What on earth were any of you thinking that this would have a good outcome ?

My thoughts exactly. I did the same sort of thing at 24, but had a qualification, it was hard, but i had a great time. I certainly would not be ok with my daughter doing the same at 18 especially with MH issues and no back up. If I was the OP I would hazard a guess she’s not getting the whole story

earsup · 08/12/2022 22:22

I once got slung out of a teaching job abroad as manager gave my job to a relative...had hours to leave the apt given with the job...luckily i stayed with friends and got a new job in days....it did shake me up tho...especially when abroad...i was in spain...she can return and start again or find something else over there while having the visa.

Cherry8809 · 08/12/2022 22:22

anon666 · 08/12/2022 20:08

You're right, they should have given her some notice rather than turfing her out on the day. That's really heartless for an 18 year old in a strange country.

I'd be tempted to tell her to report them on humanitarian grounds. Effectively they are making her immediately homeless and potentially a burden on the state sector in that country. If they have a track record of this they may be forced to step up a bit more in future.

I think you're right about them making up punctuality in order to make it severe enough to be gross misconduct. I'm wondering what it says in her contract - this kind of severance may be covered.

Also, does she have travel insurance?

Regardless of how crap her performance has been (down to illness, not her fault), surely they bear some of the responsibility for risks like this?.🤔

“I'd be tempted to tell her to report them on humanitarian grounds. Effectively they are making her immediately homeless and potentially a burden on the state sector in that country.”

As harsh as they’ve been to her, there’s really nothing that reporting them would do. On a temporary work permit or working holiday visa, there’s no recourse to public funds, ie: no welfare eligibility, so wouldn’t be a burden on the province.
If she can’t find an alternative employer on an open permit, she’d be expected to return back home if she didn’t want to stay and make the most of the travel opportunities.

What a horrible experience for her so far, OP.
I hope this doesn’t taint her feelings towards the country as it truly is a beautiful place with lovely people.

XelaM · 08/12/2022 22:30

Can you not just book the cheap hotel for her on booking.com if she's not up to doing it herself? You don't even have to pay upfront usually. Just book her a cheaper hotel for now to solve the immediate problem of the huge hotel bills

JackTorrance · 08/12/2022 22:37

I feel very sorry for your daugher, it sounds like she worked really hard for this and was very excited and instead she's had a really difficult time of it.

If it wasn't for her health I'd think she should stick it out and try and find something else quickly but realistically having post-viral issues does change things a bit.

It's shit that she hasn't got to do all the things she planned and looked forward to.

Nik2015 · 08/12/2022 22:37

Something like this?

www.learn4good.com/jobs/canada/hotel_industry/1857413308/e/

FiddlefigOnTheRoof · 08/12/2022 22:43

I’d just bring her home (and I’m a ‘tough love’ type of mother).

She got ill, she couldn’t be properly trained or do the job well, they were mean in evicting her without notice, whatever. Shrug it off, get her home. Give her some love and rest. It’s a bad two months, not a bad gap year.

00kitty · 08/12/2022 22:45

we’ve spent a lot of time in Canada, I really feel for your dd sounds like she has had a tough start and management have treated her appallingly with the notice issue.

I’m surprised £350 a night in cheapest she can find is she booked in to Fairmont tonight?

Two places I recommend there to try for work
Paradise lodge my absolute favourite place to stay and staff when we have been all appear happy, they were looking for staff 6 days ago www.paradiselodge.com

The other is Baker Creek www.basecampresorts.com/bakercreek

I would recommend she go to tourist info in lake louise/Banff as they are super helpful, we turned up on the busiest weekend of the year with no accommodation previously and they found us something

I don’t think she should give up and leave just yet, Canada is lovely, the area she is in is stunning and on the whole Canadians are really nice helpful people and I’m really hoping to hear an update in a couple of days with some good news as if she can sort job/accom issue I know she will have a blast

Lochroy · 08/12/2022 22:45

Move on from the job, the work review and what's happened. That can't be changed now.

She needs to get out of that expensive hotel asap. If websites are showing as full, she needs to walk down to the hostels and ask in person. Or move temporarily to a different town.

Once the immediate money pressures are removed, hopefully she might have the head space to assess her health and decide what she wants to do.

You know her better than any of us, and you clearly think she should be coming home so she'll be picking up on those vibes. She's unwell and disappointed. Please make sure you are being supportive.

Greenginghamdress · 08/12/2022 22:46

So sorry OP, your daughter must be gutted and you must be very worried.
Definitely get her to come home, it sounds like it's the best thing for her MH now.
Hopefully she can go back to her old job here which will get her some money and boost her confidence again.
I agree with some PPs that at 18, this was a big step. No shame in saying it hasn't worked out. There's nothing stopping her from doing similar in a few years -maybe after uni- if she wants to try.
I've known people who moved to Canada and had great experiences but they were older than your DD, mid to late 20s.
Wishing the best for you all.

StretchedCanvas · 08/12/2022 22:46

I remember your previous thread and how excited she was and how proud you were. I do hope she manages to find something this week.

Nik2015 · 08/12/2022 22:47

I had similar happen to me. Job and accommodation lined up in Banff, then the woman got busy and hired someone else.
My friend and I got on the plane, went to Calgary and almost got jobs there.
Thankfully we didn’t.
We decided to go to Banff anyway, stayed in the youth hostel for a few nights and managed to get live in jobs.
We had an absolute amazing summer which I will never forget.

Book her a week somewhere (if you can manage it) she might get sorted. Loads of the hotels have accommodation and people coming and going through the season.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 22:52

@StretchedCanvas

I haven’t made a previous thread, but I think I read the one you were talking about before DD left

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Kitcaterpillar · 08/12/2022 22:56

I'm not sure I quite understand the need for immediate panic. A very quick search of booking.com shows plenty of accomodation available so she could take some time to regroup, and make a more clear-headed decision. Or even just have a week to recover and then another week to go and actually see some of the things she went there for.

Also, given she'd have complete flexibility with flights, she'll easily find something around £300.

PixieLaLa · 08/12/2022 23:00

I feel so sad for your DD, she did a very brave thing. I think the number one priority should be getting her home and her physical and mental health better. Then like you suggested maybe she could work here save up some money and do some travelling to build her confidence back up/have fun! It sounds like they treated her awfully but she can use this as life experience and not all just a waste of time. I would be putting in a formal complaint about the manager too but that’s just me!

Greyarea12 · 08/12/2022 23:05

This is awful.

I worked abroad for a summer and like your dd fell ill in the first week. Infact, I went on the plane fine and came off it really ill. Ended up in hospital and missed that first week of getting to know people and looking for a job. When I did get a job, It just wasn't me and the manager told me I was shit at the job infront of all other staff. I remember after 4 weeks phoning my Dad crying (I was 21) and planning to go home. However, before I booked a flight I went around all the bars asking if they were looking for staff. I found a job, I loved it and stayed for a further 5 months. My advice would be to get herself out there around the hotels, bars, restaurants and on the Internet. I hope it works out for your dd.

MzHz · 08/12/2022 23:11

Agreed I was 21, but I went off to Brazil in 1989 and at one point lost my job too, I slept on someone’s sofa for a week before finding a place to stay. Does she have any friends she could crash with for a couple of days

i also lived in Africa for a while after I had my son about 16 years ago.

my tip to your dd is this: ALWAYS have a return ticket. You never know when you need one. You can book it for a year and bring it forward

she needs to get on the internet and find somewhere cheaper to stay, if that means getting on a bus or even a cab, $350 hotel night cost buys a heck of a cab fare.

I hope someone on MN can help

SuperSuperCold · 08/12/2022 23:17

When I was in New Zealand at age 24 ish, i found myself in a situation of having about £50 to my name and no job. I was in a small town. I used the £50 to get a bus to the city. I then spent from around 8:30am til late going around EVERY SINGLE bar, bnb, youth hostel etc.. looking for work. By about 10pm I'd bagged two jobs. One was in a youth hostel which had a bar downstairs - they offered me pot washing in return for a bed. They let me stay that night and I ended up staying about 4 months. The hostel had free tea.and coffee, and backpackers had left food in the 'free.food' box in the kitchen when they left, so I was able to eat toast and peanut butter for a few days ! The other job I bagged was in a BnB that said I could start in a week, cleaning for a weekly pay packet. So, from zero money, I actually managed to save a fair bit in that 4 months, enough for a ticket to Australia where I got more work. It was tough, but taught me resilience and gave me some great memories!!

Your daughter could do the same. She has loads of money!!! Definitely no need to panic yet! She's got plenty of reserves!!

Schnooze · 08/12/2022 23:18

Tell her she hasn’t failed, she’s ill. Come home, save more and try again when she’s healthy.

Dahlia5 · 08/12/2022 23:18

Kitcaterpillar · 08/12/2022 22:56

I'm not sure I quite understand the need for immediate panic. A very quick search of booking.com shows plenty of accomodation available so she could take some time to regroup, and make a more clear-headed decision. Or even just have a week to recover and then another week to go and actually see some of the things she went there for.

Also, given she'd have complete flexibility with flights, she'll easily find something around £300.

This. I've checked the same out of curiosity and there are plenty of options from £37 per night available from tomorrow!

LemonTreeSkies · 08/12/2022 23:50

If she wants to stay in Canada tell her to look at Big White. It’s smaller than Banff and only 45 mins from Kelowna, so shorter than Banff to Calgary. They’re probably looking for staff up there.

weaseley · 08/12/2022 23:52

This seems like the right approach to me. There are other job and living situations available, but she’s run down, disappointed, and hasn’t got the financial cushion to have the rug pulled out from under her again. Can you frame is as coming home for Christmas and a nice thing rather than a disappointment? Knowing that if she’s got work and a place to stay in the UK she can still have a chance to travel before uni might help? And right now it’s bloody freezing in Alberta, so inter rail in Europe in the summer might not be a hard sell!