To think MN has a race problem and it’s getting worse

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Posters say incredibly offensive, often outright racist things and MN lets them stand as it’s a ‘difference of opinion’ and that’s fine. Other posters complain about this and MN deletes said complaints as they are ‘personal attacks’ and that isn’t fine.

Then we have mods wandering in and going ‘let’s have peace and love’, as though ‘both sides’ need to calm down. No, we need to stop placating racists.

I’m not going to give examples as this will get taken down as a TAAT, but I cannot be the only person to be fed up with all this. MN needs to do something about the racism, race baiting and general cultural ignorance. Unless the site is ONLY meant to cater to white people and, even then, I firmly believe that most posters of any race don’t want to see all that ugliness.

It’s getting to the stage where, as a Black person, I’m steeling myself before I log on. And knowing that half the time I report a comment, I won’t even get a token acknowledgement. This isn’t right. It wasn’t always like this.

How is it possible to express your experience of micro aggressions in a non-critical way?

I’m not defending what happened at the palace. I’m not defending what happened to the doctors or solicitors.

I am saying that identifying an example of a time that school safeguarding policies being (as far as I can see politely) followed as being a micro aggression has the potential to do harm.

Interesting how four days on from the incident and multiple of these threads, there’s all this dredging up of old interviews with and profiles of Ngozi Fulani; quotes, dissections of her hair, jewellery, outfit; deep dives into her Twitter, etc.

The most information I’ve seen on Hussey is: 83, husband named Marmaduke, BFF with the Queen, Wills’s godmother, may have been Meghan’s handler. Couldn’t tell you what she was wearing to the event or what her hairdo was. There’s not been nearly the same level of scrutiny or argumentativeness about her on MN: the most has been “she’s old so it’s ok” vs “not an excuse” – no one’s done these bold/italic/underline you said then I said then you said multi quote posts about her the way they have Fulani.

Did you read the thread about the sister not wanting her own (white) sister to come to her wedding wearing dread locks?

I have to say the comments were hilarious the sister turned round to her and said "money can't buy class" she even uploaded pictures and everything of herself!

@Museya15 i don’t know if MM was after the money and the title any more than Kate Middleton. No idea. I know Kate was getting lot of flack as well, so it might be a general bitchiness thing. But the media was definitely not vicious to this degree. Which makes me believe there’s something more. And we know what that is.

Oh for goodness sake, I've heard it all now 😂

splinternews.com/if-youre-confused-about-what-race-baiting-is-heres-a-b-1793848630

I think the British liked the dynamic of the proper one being raised to be King and the naughty one being a bit of a lad. The formers wife fulfils her role. The latters wife has effed up her role by appearing to cut his balls off.

Oh, it’s that she’s American, divorced, and an actress. Definitely, definitely those three things, and no other reason at all. 👀

cakeorwine
If you are a member of staff and someone says to you "Can I help you?" (and that can be said with a range of tones), what would you say?

Ngozi didn't say it was said in a particular tone.

I would say; "No thank you, I'm Mrs Clavinova, I work in the music department" and show my staff pass. If I wasn't in a hurry, I might exchange some pleasantries; "Have you worked here long?" etc. It's not a difficult concept.

Ngoni was specifically speaking to the experience of black professionals of being assumed to be anyone other than a professional. It’s her life, it was her point to make. Whatever you want to talk about to evade the issue is totally irrelevant.

School staff reading this thread will not be worrying about child safeguarding they will be open-mouthed at the racism.

stuntbubbles

I don't dislike Harry and Meghan at all, but I did think they had moved to the States for a "quiet life" - "out of the glare of publicity".

Ngozi! Damn autocorrect.

The person could have said "Sorry, I don't recognise you, do you work here?"

Which is a good way to check if people are supposed to be where they are.

Safeguarding is the issue here.

A member of staff seeing an adult on school premises who they do not recognise as a member of staff should not assume they are a teacher.

Can’t find either of the quoted phrases in their initial Megxit announcement:

Here as in this specific instance rather than this thread.

School staff should not be assuming strangers are members of staff. The admin staff was correct I ask if she could help her.

Yet weirdly enough, no one in real life has ever called me a racist. I’m talking about on this site, people (not just me) get called racist for saying they don’t like MM. Only on this site, and for this ridiculous reason, like people can’t understand that there are other reasons for disliking someone other than their race. She’s an annoying prat who takes herself far too seriously, in my opinion. Not for whatever reason anyone else wants to invent. Not everything has to do with race and not everyone who disagrees with you is racist and just because you say or think someone is racist doesn’t mean they are. What’s the point of starting these threads if anyone who disagrees with you gets called a racist and dismissed.
You should think about that.

There is no assumption here.

It's a question. Not an assumption.

And if she had said who she was and that she was a teacher, then there should be some more verification if she didn't have any ID on her.

And if the member of staff is walking along and is asked "Can I help you?", then I can see why someone would be annoyed if they didn't look like they needed help.

stuntbubbles

I was loosely quoting various articles:

www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2021/03/11/how-harry-and-meghan-left-camelot-for-a-more-quiet-life-in-america/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51205484

They shouldn’t assume they’re a parent either but they did. Now enough with this strawman, nobody but yourself is fooled.

It’s a polite way of intercepting someone from going somewhere you are not certain they have authority to be. It’s a very common turn of phrase.

The admin staff was correct in this instance.

Safeguarding is not a strawman argument.

It’s a polite way of intercepting someone from going somewhere you are not certain they have authority to be. It’s a very common turn of phrase

The question is - would that admin person have used the same phrase to every person they did not recognise? Or would they have treated other people differently?

And at the other end - how often do people experience that phrase from other people?

Like I said upthread, it would be interesting for people to be able to experience life through other people's eyes and identities.

Of course they would use “Can I help you?” to anyone they didn’t recognised trying to access the school.

It’s an incredibly common and polite way to stop people and check their identity.

Mirabai
Just a heads up @ Clavinova used to post on the Brexit forum I was a lurker on and she’s a hardcore Tory/Brexit wind up merchant

Do you want Mumsnet to be an echo chamber? Anyone would think we didn't actually vote to leave the EU and the Conservatives didn't win the last general election.