To think MN has a race problem and it’s getting worse

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Posters say incredibly offensive, often outright racist things and MN lets them stand as it’s a ‘difference of opinion’ and that’s fine. Other posters complain about this and MN deletes said complaints as they are ‘personal attacks’ and that isn’t fine.

Then we have mods wandering in and going ‘let’s have peace and love’, as though ‘both sides’ need to calm down. No, we need to stop placating racists.

I’m not going to give examples as this will get taken down as a TAAT, but I cannot be the only person to be fed up with all this. MN needs to do something about the racism, race baiting and general cultural ignorance. Unless the site is ONLY meant to cater to white people and, even then, I firmly believe that most posters of any race don’t want to see all that ugliness.

It’s getting to the stage where, as a Black person, I’m steeling myself before I log on. And knowing that half the time I report a comment, I won’t even get a token acknowledgement. This isn’t right. It wasn’t always like this.

I haven’t seen any racism on mumsnet and I don’t think MNHQ would tolerate any and would take the posts down if there were any …

Anyone else getting bored of all these racism threads?? 🥱

I’m at a total loss how anyone is defending that interaction at the palace as benign. Asking where are you from twice (first getting the answer about the charity and then the location) I think is totally understandable but to keep going after that with zero comprehension of why that isn’t ok and would make someone feel really uncomfortable is ridiculous.

Also racism goes both ways, DH can understand Spanish and when we went on holiday to the Dominican Republic, he heard the staff there refer to the white tourists as ‘tampons’ repeatedly assuming we don’t understand Spanish.

It’s a shitty thing to say and I won’t be going back but you don’t hear of racism when it’s the other way round but it does happen.

an immediate and detailed investigation by the RF

Ngozi claimed for several days that the palace had not been in contact with her though. To be fair - I'm not sure how you carry out a detailed investigation if you haven't actually spoken to the alleged victim or any of the witnesses.

Looks like she has been subject to a lot of abuse on social media since speaking out.

Top rated comment in the Daily Mail says that this is what you expect if you 'tweet a private conversation'

You can see why people don't speak up. Get your entire life scrutinised in the media and online, your accounts looked at, comments you have made in the past brought up.

I wonder if this kind of scrutiny happens to all people who speak up about incidents? Or do some people get this more than others?

Are you calling the RF liars @Clavinova? They spoke to SH, she fessed up straight away.🤷‍♀️

She, Ngozi, did the right thing IMO. Ultimately she was on the receiving end of LH's frankly bizarre questioning.

What her name change or financial history has got to do with this is beyond me but discrediting is just another form of racism. It's akin to dredging up woman's sexual history after being subjected to sexist abuse. Or what clothes she might have been wearing.

As an aside, my MIL's name is classic Welsh but is known as Anne. It's quite normal for people to be known as another name it seems and although my MIL is 100% suspect, it's not because of her name change. I've also a friend called Dave (Davinda), Dave (Nigel). I've also a name that isn't my actual name but don't have any issues.

TooBigForMyBoots
*Are you calling the RF liars @ Clavinova?

No - did they say they had carried out a detailed investigation or are those your words?

Just some information for those posters who write in bold with an intimidatory tone to shout others down. Writing in bold or capital letters does not make a statement true

This is some guidance by the Charity Commission as to opening statutory investigations on charities. It can be done at any time. The fact that any charity has existed for any number of years does not automatically mean that new information can arise at a later date which could be a cause for concern and prompt an investigation.

For example, the Commission has opened an enquiry this month and another last month on long standing charities

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/681447/CC46.pdf

“We take this incident extremely seriously and have investigated immediately to establish the full details. In this instance, unacceptable and deeply regrettable comments have been made.”

Quotes are often put in bold, to indicate that they are quotes. If you find bold lettering intimidating, that’s your issue.

Stating that the CC could open an investigation, even though they’ve shown no inclination to do so and you’re not aware of any grounds is the same as me saying the police could arrest you for murder, even though they’ve shown no inclination to do so - after all they can arrest people for murder, they’ve done it before.

You haven’t addressed what was said, so I’ll repeat myself again. In bold. Charity accounts are scrutinised BY THE CHARITY COMMISSION before they are published BY THE CHARITY COMMISSION. Every year. As you’d know if you knew anything about U.K. charities.

So, the Charity Commission thinks Sistah Space’s accounts are fine. And there is no indication that they aren’t. No breath of scandal apart from one lunatic Reddit thread. If you don’t think their accounts are fine, please tell us why and back it up with some evidence. As all the information is publicly available, this should be fairly straightforward.

@unsureatthispoint Please answer this.

Then tell us more about the timescales of all these investigations you’ve previously questioned.

Ngozi Fulani has a connection to Africa @PandoraRocks .

Her ancestors were kidnapped from there and taken to the Caribbean as slaves.

It is VERY common for Caribbean and African American people to change their names and take on more "African sounding names". This is because the majority of Caribbean and African American people inherited the names of the slave masters who owned their ancestors. I am not sure why this offends you?

She has every right to change her name, just as the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas did when they changed their name to Windsor, or the Battenbergs to Mountbatten.

As for @LondonWolf who said:

BAME people are fundamentally human and share many of the same characteristics as the rest of us.

How very big and noble of you to acknowledge our humanity. But do pray tell. What are the characteristics that we don't share with the rest of you?

Charity accounts are scrutinised BY THE CHARITY COMMISSION before they are published BY THE CHARITY COMMISSION. Every year. As you’d know if you knew anything about U.K. charities.

Indeed. But this does not mean that if new elements are identified at a later date, an investigation will not be launched. So, having published accounts does not mean that a charity cannot possibly be challenged in the future

Am I right in thinking that you really don't want to understand?

@unsureatthispoint Then address this.

You’re not going to address any of these, though, are you? Or back up anything you say? At best you’ll grab one sentence from each of them (which you’ll quote in bold - it’s fine when you do it, apparently) and respond with something inane.

Almost as though you are saying silly indefensible things to stir and goad as much as possible, then drag them out as long as possible.

Then tell us more about the timescales of all these investigations you’ve previously questioned

Have you ever felt under pressure to resign from a job?

Would you feel ok if the investigation that prompted your departure was of similar characteristics to this one?

And of course everything is hypothetical as none of us was there

RishisProudMum

Yes, I see now - the statement goes on to read;

We have reached out to Ngozi Fulani on this matter, and are inviting her to discuss all elements of her experience in person if she wishes. - Ngozi Fulani denied the palace had contacted her at the time.

You’re not going to address any of these, though, are you?

Who do you think you are? You don't dictate what I should be addressing or not

I love that this is a response to a post that in full points out that At best you’ll grab one sentence from each of them (which you’ll quote in bold - it’s fine when you do it, apparently) and respond with something inane.

Honestly, just use the quote function – it’s quicker! And easier! And makes the thread make more sense! But doesn’t suit your agenda.

Almost as though you are saying silly indefensible things to stir and goad as much as possible, then drag them out as long as possible

Like a link to a government document? That's more information than you have provided on this matter. Do you still think my contributions are inane?

And if ‘new elements were discovered’, I might be the heir to a long lost fortune, space flight might be commonplace and you might be in prison for murder.

Stating that the CC could open an investigation, even though they’ve shown no inclination to do so and you’re not aware of any grounds is the same as me saying the police could arrest you for murder, even though they’ve shown no inclination to do so - after all they can arrest people for murder, they’ve done it before.

If you have any indication whatsoever that the Charity Commission is going to open an investigation, please share it. Otherwise, SS is no more under suspicion of anything than you are under threat of life imprisonment.

Am I right in thinking that you really don’t want to understand?

At best you’ll grab one sentence from each of them (which you’ll quote in bold - it’s fine when you do it, apparently) and respond with something inane.

Ta dah!

And if ‘new elements were discovered’, I might be the heir to a long lost fortune, space flight might be commonplace and you might be in prison for murder.

Do you work there? Because that could explain your vitriol

So, you’re calling the Palace liars? Which was the original question.

cakeorwine
comments you have made in the past brought up
I wonder if this kind of scrutiny happens to all people who speak up about incidents? Or do some people get this more than others?

If you speak up on social media, then comments you have posted in the recent past are surely going to be scrutinised, whatever your skin colour?