To think MN has a race problem and it’s getting worse

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Posters say incredibly offensive, often outright racist things and MN lets them stand as it’s a ‘difference of opinion’ and that’s fine. Other posters complain about this and MN deletes said complaints as they are ‘personal attacks’ and that isn’t fine.

Then we have mods wandering in and going ‘let’s have peace and love’, as though ‘both sides’ need to calm down. No, we need to stop placating racists.

I’m not going to give examples as this will get taken down as a TAAT, but I cannot be the only person to be fed up with all this. MN needs to do something about the racism, race baiting and general cultural ignorance. Unless the site is ONLY meant to cater to white people and, even then, I firmly believe that most posters of any race don’t want to see all that ugliness.

It’s getting to the stage where, as a Black person, I’m steeling myself before I log on. And knowing that half the time I report a comment, I won’t even get a token acknowledgement. This isn’t right. It wasn’t always like this.

Yeah, except it isn’t easy when people keep changing the rules as to what is racist. As PP have said, even saying you don’t like Meghan Markle has people shouting “racist”. Ridiculous.

If you are a member of staff and someone says to you "Can I help you?" (and that can be said with a range of tones), what would you say?

Does a member of staff need help?

Yet, weirdly enough, most people never get called racist. As in, never ever. Old people, young people, people of all races. Just going about their business, not being called racist ever in their lives.

If people keep shouting ‘racist’ at you, then there’s probably a reason. You should think about that.

@Peckahen I’m sure all those who don’t like MM have a host of well thought out reasons. They must know her so well beyond skin colour. (Sarcasm.)

@thewriteradmitsthat Well that would be all very well if (often the same) people didn't repeatedly push back every time it's explained to them why something is felt to be a racist micro-aggression. They're not covering themselves in glory and ultimately they just look like...racists. And not just on this thread.

Of course he had his pass. The white doctors were all being waved in; he was stopped and told that the conference was for doctors only. So he had to fish his out to prove he was indeed a doctor and invitee.

I think there is less racism than there has been in the past. What I believe has changed is the way racism is being alleged over many actions when clearly it is not the case.

For example we like and dislike people for many reasons - there are many people who I would not choose for friends who are white, I would not choose to invite them to my house and equally refuse invitations from them. If I were to say there are some non-white people I would not choose to invite to my house etc etc then the allegation of racism is made by some.

Racism is not always the reason

On the plus side it’s a very good illustration of the problem.

While they’re trying to argue that racism isn’t racism and everyone’s wrong and they’re right - they should consider they’re proving the truth of the thread title.

It’s not an issue that she was stopped at all. It’s not an issue that she was asked to identify herself when in a school.
It’s good protocol and following of policy on the school’s part and shouldn’t be mentioned by her at all in a critical way.

If I was allowed to I could easily name the racists on this thread. Some are no surprise.

I’ll point you to my second sentence

On the one example she gave about the admin staff

to answer this

@GrinAndVomit And if she’s not raising it in a critical way, but as an example of how she feels discriminated against/experiences microaggressions? As in, the focus is on how she felt in that moment and not as a criticism of the school/admin staff? Is that allowed?

Hahaha same. If ever I decide to go down in flames and get banned (it would free up so much of my time), this is how I’ll do it.

And I will point you to the two posts you’ve ignored that put Ngozi’s example in the context of other professionals’ experience of the same pattern.

The issue is not that she was stopped but that she was presumed not to be a teacher at a school where she taught. That was the point of the story.

I mean I’ll be honest, I’m a mixed race woman and it’s not something I’ve experienced on here personally.

There sure is a lot of bullies on here, without doubt, but I haven’t felt like there’s an overwhelming amount of racism.

That’s just my personal experience though.

@antelopevalley Hard agree.

I'm white and the whataboutery and race to the bottom is somehow both horrifying and embarrassing.

Don't you think it's more that previously it was only overt racism that was heard, now people are speaking out and more white people are willing to engage and educate themselves than previously. There is still a lot of racism for example work place racism is only recently being acknowledged, health, education - are we to say this wasn't happening before.? Playground racism was not taken seriously it is only because black people are speaking out that we are where we are now. I am sure NF has come across this for years and twenty years ago she probably would not have had the confidence or back up to speak up

BewareTheLibrarians
Do you, or anyone else reading, believe that the racist comments that are being directed at her now can or should be excused or minimised due to this conversation from the past?

No - although what do you mean by "now"? On here, or generally/Lady Hussey?

I wasn't present during the exchange between Ms Fulani and Lady Hussey, so I don't know how faithful the 'transcript' is. I do know that one detail is missing - Ms Fulani said to Lady Hussey very early on in the conversation; "we deal with African and Caribbean heritage people" (from an interview Ms Fulani gave to LBC) - that detail has been left out of the 'transcript' for some reason and I think explains Lady Hussey's original curiosity.

I still think the 'conservation from the past' gives a partial insight into how the exchange between Ms Fulani and Lady Hussey might have evolved, that's not to say that Lady Hussey should have pursued her line of questioning.

I’ve ignored them because I’m speaking specifically about child safeguarding.
I’m allowed to care about child safe guarding to the point that I will focus on that when I’m discussion.

I do not want school staff reading this thread and worrying about approaching any unknown adult in school grounds because of any perceived injustices on the adult’s part.

@PreparationPreparationPrep

I understand what you are saying, and of course there are examples of racism that previously people would not have acknowledged. My point is that racism seems to cited all the time without considering the context. The concern is that this approach will probably just segregate communities as people become wary of associating with those of different heritages.

That would be hilarious.

Oh same! Race baiters in my case though.

PreparationPreparationPrep
I am sure NF has come across this for years and twenty years ago she probably would not have had the confidence or back up to speak up

I'm not sure that's true - the example I gave from the school was twenty years ago. NF seems a confident, self assured woman to me. From the 2017 interview;

"As I said, because I’m so outspoken, and because I am my father’s child – he’s very powerful – I know my power, and I embrace my power."

She's a massive hypocrite is the reason I cannot stand her. All about the title and money!