To think MN has a race problem and it’s getting worse

[MovingOutofZone2]

Posters say incredibly offensive, often outright racist things and MN lets them stand as it’s a ‘difference of opinion’ and that’s fine. Other posters complain about this and MN deletes said complaints as they are ‘personal attacks’ and that isn’t fine.

Then we have mods wandering in and going ‘let’s have peace and love’, as though ‘both sides’ need to calm down. No, we need to stop placating racists.

I’m not going to give examples as this will get taken down as a TAAT, but I cannot be the only person to be fed up with all this. MN needs to do something about the racism, race baiting and general cultural ignorance. Unless the site is ONLY meant to cater to white people and, even then, I firmly believe that most posters of any race don’t want to see all that ugliness.

It’s getting to the stage where, as a Black person, I’m steeling myself before I log on. And knowing that half the time I report a comment, I won’t even get a token acknowledgement. This isn’t right. It wasn’t always like this.

From your earlier posts, it sounded as if you were defending the police line.

Now I understand where you’re coming from I agree with you.

Ah, the irony. It’s my thread. I will continue my ‘campaign’ to call out racism on MN.

If you don’t like it, you move on. A couple of posts you don't like aren't going to ruin your life.

I lurked on here for years, rarely posting and using the site as a sounding board for what parents might be thinking - it was useful for my job. This issue has caused me to name change and start engaging with the bigots. I'm particularly astonished with the gatekeepers of prejudice on here - bigotry against black, Asian and Islamic folk = mostly wrong, anti-semitism = grey area, classism = knock yourself out.

@torquewench "So who was it that made a famous speech that went:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." "

'Judged by' not disregarded.

Totally agree OP.
I am sorry I can't be bothered to read the thread which I know will be full of apologists for racists. But MN is full of racism, and I have seen various posters that consistently challenge it, banned by MNHQ as anyone that gets mass reported, in those cases by racists, gets banned.
The site is moving towards being a site for white women who are either racists or "don't see racism".

Not been on MN long but I haven’t seen any racist comments… maybe they get deleted before I come across the thread or something 🤷🏼‍♀️

Im probably going to get flamed for this but I don’t see much racism in day to day life where I live, there are lots of people from different racial backgrounds where I live and I think the younger generations have grown up accepting that as the norm to be fair… I however work in a care home and some of the residents will make unpleasant comments to the carers who look ‘foreign’ , they mostly have dementia and I can imagine racism was rife in their generation if those comments are anything to go by…

I think sometimes people are tempted to use the race card to get what they want and manipulate people (not common but it does happen), for instance a woman I work with likes to sleep in the lounge on the night shift, she’s been caught more than once doing this and the bells have been going unanswered for a long time when she’s on the floor on her own because she doesn’t hear them when she’s sleeping. The manager pulled her up on it and she accused everybody of being racist 🤨 … She’s still working there and neglecting residents, sleeping while on duty so I assume the manager is too frightened of being accused of racism to go ahead with disciplinary action…

I think when people use the race card for situations that have nothing to do with their race it actually takes away from the seriousness of actual racism….

I have however seen some transphobic comments here and there on MN.

"I think sometimes people are tempted to use the race card to get what they want..."

It seems the reason you don't notice racist comments is because you're too busy making them.

I think when people use the race card for situations that have nothing to do with their race it actually takes away from the seriousness of actual racism

I think when white people make assumptions that situations are nothing to do with race it takes away from the seriousness of racism.

This thread has completely proved your point @MovingOutofZone2 and I actually despair.

I don’t see much racism in day to day life where I live,

If you’re white then why on earth would you see racism? It doesn’t mean that there isn’t racism! This comment is spectacularly ignorant.

Yes, seeing is different from experiencing.

But will you accept the response or badger her 100 more times because she can’t possibly be British 🙄

So a dress is now the ‘national dress’ of ‘Africa’.

I hope you don’t wear dresses then @underneaththeash ?

Ha – as a brilliant poster pointed out on the “where are you really from?” thread, Bet Lynch must be a proud African.

It doesn't work like that though. If your child is the only black one in a white school they may not come across any black teachers by chance. Fair enough. But even in schools where 50% of pupils are black, it's unusual to see a single back teacher. That is harmful. The issue is that the teachers (and police officers etc) need to represent the community they serve. Instead you see almost without exception in some areas that all the cleaners are black. That sends some kind of message to black children about what kind of jobs might be for them. If you are in a predominantly white area you probably have all white cleaners too so in a way it's less of an issue. Nothing wrong with being a cleaner obviously, it's the segregation that's the problem

Love it 😂

In the dim and distant past there were a few racists, they got short shrift and were stamped out pretty quickly. I fear there are many more now and the don’t get removed. It’s sad.

I'm white and don't have many friends of ethnic minorities but whenever I do spend time with them there's constant racism to be honest. Walking down the street with a Muslim friend who wore a scarf over her hair, heard racist comments from car windows. Worked with Asian and black colleagues, heard openly racist comments from both clients and staff. And that isn't stuff that could be misconstrued or blamed on ignorance, it's openly hateful comments and from young people as well as older too.

@dieselKiller that fact that people are raising the issue about lack of ETHNIC MINORITY teachers is because we are the minority. So it is NOT really a case of ohhhh let me have a black teacher teaching my child because that's what I prefer.

No!!! Do I have to elaborate further??

I think people know full well but they are being deliberately obtuse because you surely can't be this unaware?

People are just saying they would like a bit of inclusiveness and that's the reason we would like to see more ETHNIC MINORITY teachers.

My goodness simple things become so complex it's really quite simple.

I worked in teacher training for over a decade. We used to have targets for recruiting from underrepresented groups, which Ofsted would check. While not a fan of targets, we were in an urban conurbation and it was worth our time and fitted with our ethos to try and get the best candidates from all walks of life. We were one of the few universities to get anywhere near the target (although we only recruited one male of African/Caribbean heritage and he failed unfortunately). You might be surprised to learn that the Tories abolished the targets and handed training responsibilities more over to academies who don't generally give a fig about this kind of thing.

@ivyblu Are you perhaps wanting to address your comments to WondrousWinger? I fully support teachers that represent the pupil population and completely agree that this representation is important.

Is your mother paid by the state to attend functions? Would she ignore the response given and continue to badger the person?

Maybe Asian men are over represented but still it's not most Asian men, is it? The two important points here are firstly the sad situation of young people in care who are vulnerable and secondly the misogyny of the police which led to them failing to do anything sooner.
There have been many recent police failings, all but this one have been due to either racism, misogyny, corruption or incompetence. Police failings are never due to "fear of being thought racist".

Yanbu OP. I assume the book with a title about why the author isn't going to discuss race with white people is about this very issue.

It's very worrying how there seems to be an increase in racist comments when the UK is supposed to be a tolerant and multicultural place.

@SnackSizeRaisin "Maybe Asian men are over represented but still it's not most Asian men, is it? The two important points here are firstly the sad situation of young people in care who are vulnerable and secondly the misogyny of the police which led to them failing to do anything sooner.
There have been many recent police failings, all but this one have been due to either racism, misogyny, corruption or incompetence. Police failings are never due to "fear of being thought racist"."

The proportion of offenders of this type of crime are pretty similar for white and Asian men - much lower for those of African/Caribbean heritage. The point that hasn't been addressed is the classism and misogyny, those elements took a backseat to enable the racist hysteria.