The Lady Hussey racism thing

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I am really conflicted about this.

If went to live in Japan (I did live there for 3 years several years ago) I would be expected to be asked about where I'm from because I don't look Japanese (and in fact I was asked many times! I didn't mind at all, it was my choice to be in Japan and I knew I didn't look japanese). If I chose to stay in that country and have children, I'd expect my children would be asked the same, and their children and that although they would be Japanese by birth, I would hope they would be happy to talk about their heritage and where they are from and not mind being asked why they don't look Japanese and what the history is. I wouldnt think it racist and wouldn't want such questions to be stopped because we only learn from others, and about others, by talking and feeling safe to ask questions.

So why in the UK does everyone have to be sooo careful with what they say? This woman has a non English name, was wearing some non western clothing, as was asked about her heritage. Why is this abuse?

We need to stop being so sensitive and allow dialogue.

That's a long winded way of saying she accepted she was in the wrong.

I would be annoyed that anyone of any nationality made a public complaint by social media.I just don't believe thats how you do things.

Surely the problem underlying all this is that white is still seen as 'the norm' and being non-white isn't. White is still seen as 'English' and non-white isn't. White people are 'neutral' and can go round expressing their culture/heritage in the way they dress and look without being deemed to have made some sort of statement that justifies curiosity. I am white. If I moved to Japan and brought children up there for whom Japan was home, the curiosity and questions they would get would be racist. Curiosity can be malice-free and yet still reveal racist assumptions and beliefs ie that one needs to be a certain race to fully belong.

Nope, I wouldn’t expect anything from you.

Since you asked me, it’s fair to ask you. Are you white?

Surely the problem underlying all this is that white is still seen as 'the norm' and being non-white isn't

If a white person went to an African country, it wouldn't be 'the norm' there. Why is it 'a problem'? it would just be a fact.

No I’m not. I am mixed race, though I prefer ‘hybrid’ 😂.

Right, because the RF and their hangers on are known for their stoic acceptance of undeserved blame 😂

Even guilty as fuck Andrew denied raping a US minor.

Actually thats not what I'm trying to say I think its entirely possible she may not believe that what she said was intentionally offensive or she may even not believe it was wrong at all, that her questions were perfectly ok. But I do think she believes that it is most of all important to protect the RF and their reputation and she would do anything to to do this. So if this includes a public apology and "yes I was in the wrong" and I resign then she will do this.

So you are basically here in social media to complain about a specific person, because that person complained about another specific person on social media, because you think that's not the way it should be done and its okay for you to gatekeep the complaints process. Unless, you know, its you doing the complaining about a specific person. cool.

Well there's a new broom in the royal family and maybe they are trying to smarten up their image before more people begin to realise that they are pretty obsolete in the 21st century. Adapt and survive and all that sort of thing.

Yes of course the genteel white Lady is a poor misunderstood innocent, and the black woman is a grasping, chancing fame hunter.

Pull the other one, even Hussey doesn’t believe you 😂

The alleged conversation is not a transcript. It is what the woman concerned says what was said. It is rather surprising that someone so supposedly traumatised can come up with a fairly lengthy and seemingly coherent account. Whatever it is, it is NOT a transcript. Unless it was being recorded of course.

I just think if you have a serious grievance against someone then you follow a formal process. I cant exactly explain why but I just feel that that is the best way to achieve the best outcome for everyone. Maybe I'm just old fashioned and out of touch.

If a white person went to an African country, it wouldn't be 'the norm' there. Why is it 'a problem'? it would just be a fact

But the person in this case didn't go to a different country; she was in her own country.

You're proving the point of the PP that you quoted - many people think Britain = white.

its entirely possible she may not believe that what she said was intentionally offensive or she may even not believe it was wrong at all, that her questions were perfectly ok. But I do think she believes that it is most of all important to protect the RF and their reputation and she would do anything to to do this. So if this includes a public apology and "yes I was in the wrong" and I resign then she will do this.

This. A dignified lady displaying true loyalty to the nation, her fellow people and RF. More should follow her example TBH

But the person in this case didn't go to a different country; she was in her own country.

It doesn't make any difference. A white person being born in an African country wouldn't be 'the norm', wouldn't be 'a problem'. Just a fact

The alleged conversation was not a transcript, unless it was transcribed from a recording or an original document. Was it from a recording? It was quite a lengthy and coherent alleged conversation from someone supposedly feeling shaken traumatised and violated.

It was not a transcript

Well, there’s an even newer broom in the shape of Prince William and he released a statement saying ‘the right course of action had been taken’.

So even Prince Williams sees through her, darling God mama and yet you think she’s a saint 😂

Where have I said she's a poor misunderstood innocent? I haven't. In actual fact I suspect a large part of her motivation for resigning was more to preserve the reputation of the royal family than because she truly believed she'd said anything wrong.

Was it from a recording?

If it indeed happened to be a transcript, then it would make the 'agenda' theory rather plausible

Do you think it would be sensible to listen to what black people have to say on this topic? Those with lived experiences of systemic racism in Britain?

Yes you're old fashioned and out of touch.

The internet has evolved specifically to enable us to do this and you're guilty of using it too.

TripAdvisor, Google etc etc. They're there for us to complain about specific places and people. Obviously I've praised many people I've come across but have also been quite scathing too.

And what about Metoo? Were all those women supposed to follow a process to complain about Harvey Weinstein? Jesus.

Well he was hardly going to publicly say anything else was he? Especially in light of the interview given by his brother and sister in law where the royal family were accused of being racist and he pretty strongly denied it when asked if the royal family are racist. Surely you're not that naive?

Black people aren’t a monolith.