Page 33 | The Lady Hussey racism thing

Tiiiiiiiiiiired · 2022-12-01T10:58:36+00:00

I am really conflicted about this. If went to live in Japan (I did live there for 3 years several years ago) I would be expected to be asked about where I'm from because I don't look Japanese (and in fact I was asked many times! I didn't mind at all, it was my choice to be in Japan and I knew I didn't look japanese). If I chose to stay in that country and have children, I'd expect my children would be asked the same, and their children and that although they would be Japanese by birth, I would hope they would be happy to talk about their heritage and where they are from and not mind being asked why they don't look Japanese and what the history is. I wouldnt think it racist and wouldn't want such questions to be stopped because we only learn from others, and about others, by talking and feeling safe to ask questions. So why in the UK does everyone have to be sooo careful with what they say? This woman has a non English name, was wearing some non western clothing, as was asked about her heritage. Why is this abuse? We need to stop being so sensitive and allow dialogue.

yubgummy · 01/12/2022 22:25

Perfectly valid comparison OP. If I say to a white Kenyan whose family has lived there for generations "you're not really African though are you", yes it's a bit blunt but I'm not disputing whether they are a Kenyan passport holder, I'm commenting on them obviously not being black...

dollymixtured · 01/12/2022 22:27

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 22:21

Oh yes I understand that. I was curious as to why a poster was certain she wasn't Igbo when there were several thousands of Igbo people transported to the Caribbean as part of the slave trade. I assumed I had missed a post or something that explained this.

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I suggest you look at Ms Fulani’s own words. When asked about where in Africa she came from she responded ‘I don’t know, they didn’t leave records’ so one can only presume she has taken a punt on Igbo. Unless of course she wasn’t answering the question honestly but one has to presume she is.

FirewomanSam · 01/12/2022 22:28

yubgummy · 01/12/2022 22:25

Perfectly valid comparison OP. If I say to a white Kenyan whose family has lived there for generations "you're not really African though are you", yes it's a bit blunt but I'm not disputing whether they are a Kenyan passport holder, I'm commenting on them obviously not being black...

Errr… I’m not sure what equivalence you’re trying to draw here but please tell me you wouldn’t actually say to a black person living in Britain ‘you’re not really British though are you’…?

TheSnootiestFox · 01/12/2022 22:28

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:19

So a white person asked you - white person - where you’re from…yawn. So cutting edge.

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But the whole point of racism is that it's wrong to treat people differently because of colour. So why does it matter whether it was a black/white/whatever person that asked me? A person asked me where I was from, just like Susan Hussey asked someone where she was from. No big deal, nothing to see here, certainly not worth the utter debacle that ensued.

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:28

NosnowontheScottishhills · 01/12/2022 22:23

Its not that I want just racism in particular dealt with out of the spotlight I think every complaint whether it be racism, a complaint against the NHS or any other organisation should initially be dealt with formally and in the first instance only the people/organisation directly involved. I deal with quite a few complaints in my job many are totally justified. I carefully read what it written and discuss where necessary the complaint with the staff involved. This is very often a learning/training opportunity either for the individual: no members of staff is perfect some say and do the wrong thing either intentionally or unintentionally, occasionally one acts completely out of character or it may be a learning opportunity for my dept a a whole, we can look at what things we need to change. I then talk to the person who made the complaint and ask them if they are happy with the outcomes and if not we then look at what we need to do . On our side everything is confidential both for the person who made the complaint and also for those who've been complained againstI. Maybe its my age (I dont use facebook/twitter etc) but to me this seems the most effective and professional way of dealing with complaints and also in my extensive experience generates the best outcomes for everyone. We have changed the way we work for the better on the back of complaints, staff have learnt important lessons and training has been modified/expanded, complaints are time consuming to address but as we constantly try to improve they are important.

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Who was Ngozi supposed to have as her support in the palace?

She would have been ignored and lost momentum whilst the palace dragged things out.

She did the right thing calling out a racist. I hope more BAME people are emboldened by her brave actions.

FirewomanSam · 01/12/2022 22:29

dollymixtured · 01/12/2022 22:27

I suggest you look at Ms Fulani’s own words. When asked about where in Africa she came from she responded ‘I don’t know, they didn’t leave records’ so one can only presume she has taken a punt on Igbo. Unless of course she wasn’t answering the question honestly but one has to presume she is.

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I think you’re making the same point as the poster you quoted. People are saying NF isn’t Igbo but they have no way of knowing that, when she herself doesn’t know.

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 22:29

AndyWarholsPiehole · 01/12/2022 22:22

How do you know she isn't Igbo out of curiosity?

Apart form her parents not being igbo or even Nigerian? An Igbo person would never give themselves the name of a tribe that has been at war with them, theyre traditional enemies.

I see, thank you for replying to me

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:32

dollymixtured · 01/12/2022 22:27

I suggest you look at Ms Fulani’s own words. When asked about where in Africa she came from she responded ‘I don’t know, they didn’t leave records’ so one can only presume she has taken a punt on Igbo. Unless of course she wasn’t answering the question honestly but one has to presume she is.

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She hasn’t said she’s Igbo though. Some white person upthread decided she was wearing an Igbo dress. When it’s literally just a dress.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:33

An allegation that was corroborated by witnesses

One witness who works at a very similarly themed charity as the accuser. It does need a lot of further scrutiny indeed

cakeorwine · 01/12/2022 22:33

I wonder if the Palace do diversity training - or is that seen as 'too woke'?

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 22:33

FirewomanSam · 01/12/2022 22:29

I think you’re making the same point as the poster you quoted. People are saying NF isn’t Igbo but they have no way of knowing that, when she herself doesn’t know.

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Yes that's why I was curious. If she herself doesn't know her African heritage, how certain someone else could be what she was or wasn't.

AndyWarholsPiehole · 01/12/2022 22:34

By the way, I don't the treatment she received from LH was ok. It was racist and appalling, no excuse for it.

dollymixtured · 01/12/2022 22:34

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:32

She hasn’t said she’s Igbo though. Some white person upthread decided she was wearing an Igbo dress. When it’s literally just a dress.

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She has changed her name to an Igbo name, nothing to do with headgear

FirewomanSam · 01/12/2022 22:34

TheSnootiestFox · 01/12/2022 22:28

But the whole point of racism is that it's wrong to treat people differently because of colour. So why does it matter whether it was a black/white/whatever person that asked me? A person asked me where I was from, just like Susan Hussey asked someone where she was from. No big deal, nothing to see here, certainly not worth the utter debacle that ensued.

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That is really not the ‘whole point of racism’! But it’s an easy mistake to make because of the way many of us were taught growing up that ‘not seeing colour’ was how not to be racist.

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 22:35

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:33

An allegation that was corroborated by witnesses

One witness who works at a very similarly themed charity as the accuser. It does need a lot of further scrutiny indeed

If someone said something to a black woman who worked at Tesco and a woman who worked at Morrisons happened to be her witness would that similarly be debunked, or is it only charities which are held to these impossible standards.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/12/2022 22:36

TheSnootiestFox · 01/12/2022 22:28

But the whole point of racism is that it's wrong to treat people differently because of colour. So why does it matter whether it was a black/white/whatever person that asked me? A person asked me where I was from, just like Susan Hussey asked someone where she was from. No big deal, nothing to see here, certainly not worth the utter debacle that ensued.

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SH did not simply ask Ngozi Fulani where she came from. She made racist, offensive and unacceptable comments to her.

Are you deliberately avoiding the statements reported in multiple news sources from the people who were there and the Palace? Or did you not bother finding out before wading in with your assertion that this definitely wasn't racist behaviour?

FirewomanSam · 01/12/2022 22:37

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:33

An allegation that was corroborated by witnesses

One witness who works at a very similarly themed charity as the accuser. It does need a lot of further scrutiny indeed

Why, though?

What about everything else that you cut out of my post? The part where the ‘allegation’ hasn’t been denied or challenged, an apology has already been issued, and action has already been taken?

Again, what is the scrutiny meant to achieve?

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:39

dollymixtured · 01/12/2022 22:34

She has changed her name to an Igbo name, nothing to do with headgear

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What qualifies you to judge what name a black woman may choose?

This is just more white superiority, thinking you’re an authority on black culture and names.

She can call herself whatever she likes.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/12/2022 22:40

There was more than one witness @thehorsehasnowbolted. Do you really think that Ngozi Fulani, the women who were there and BP are lying about this?

inspiration101 · 01/12/2022 22:40

I struggle to understand the racism here I often get asked where I’m from and where my family originate from and I very proudly tell them where my family originate from and a little bit about how they came to be in England and when. never ever have I been offended by such questions often it leads to very interesting conversations.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:41

The part where the ‘allegation’ hasn’t been denied or challenged, an apology has already been issued, and action has already been taken?

Because none of this proves anything at all

It could have been part of the 'don't explain, don't complain' culture, damage limitation, whatever

It doesn't prove that the interaction happened in the way it was relayed on Twitter

LadyWithLapdog · 01/12/2022 22:42

@inspiration101 welcome to the thread and to the 21st century. Things have moved on. Read a bit.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 01/12/2022 22:42

inspiration101 · 01/12/2022 22:40

I struggle to understand the racism here I often get asked where I’m from and where my family originate from and I very proudly tell them where my family originate from and a little bit about how they came to be in England and when. never ever have I been offended by such questions often it leads to very interesting conversations.

Does the person you are telling g ever refuse to believe you are telling the truth?

Because that's what happened here

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:42

inspiration101 · 01/12/2022 22:40

I struggle to understand the racism here I often get asked where I’m from and where my family originate from and I very proudly tell them where my family originate from and a little bit about how they came to be in England and when. never ever have I been offended by such questions often it leads to very interesting conversations.

Coke back when you’re black and have been harangued by the same person SEVEN times.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:43

Again, what is the scrutiny meant to achieve?

If this happened to you at work and you had to resign as a result, you would absolutely demand proof and scrutiny, wouldn't you?

It's easy to be blasé about something when it's somebody else's neck on the line