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The Lady Hussey racism thing

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Tiiiiiiiiiiired · 01/12/2022 10:58

I am really conflicted about this.

If went to live in Japan (I did live there for 3 years several years ago) I would be expected to be asked about where I'm from because I don't look Japanese (and in fact I was asked many times! I didn't mind at all, it was my choice to be in Japan and I knew I didn't look japanese). If I chose to stay in that country and have children, I'd expect my children would be asked the same, and their children and that although they would be Japanese by birth, I would hope they would be happy to talk about their heritage and where they are from and not mind being asked why they don't look Japanese and what the history is. I wouldnt think it racist and wouldn't want such questions to be stopped because we only learn from others, and about others, by talking and feeling safe to ask questions.

So why in the UK does everyone have to be sooo careful with what they say? This woman has a non English name, was wearing some non western clothing, as was asked about her heritage. Why is this abuse?

We need to stop being so sensitive and allow dialogue.

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Squeezita · 01/12/2022 21:27

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 15:38

How many witnesses does it take then? If there is camera footage I guess we then need footage from other angles, a forensic review to check tampering etc

Most certainly. If someone who has been 60 years on her role had to resign under the pressure of the mob, absolutely footage and a number of impartial witnesses under oath is the minimum that would be required

But it’s not required, because she’s been rightfully dismissed.

Your sealioning is laughable.

stuntbubbles · 01/12/2022 21:29

Can you link me to the Buckingham Palace complaints procedures and their independent regulator? Ofroyal?

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 21:32

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 16:37

would reject those names and reclaim their ancestral names?

And then get offended for being 'othered'? You either feel part of a place or you don't. Don't blame other people (plus get them sacked and ridiculed on Twitter) for your own sense of not belonging

Wow you have a real thing for chopping up people’s posts. That wasn’t even my complete sentence Confused

I don’t think you even know what you’re talking about now. The horse has definitely bolted, in more ways than one.

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 21:35

stuntbubbles · 01/12/2022 21:29

Can you link me to the Buckingham Palace complaints procedures and their independent regulator? Ofroyal?

Ofroyal sounds very Gilead in a way Ofcom doesn't for some reason

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 21:39

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 16:25

You do know Mohammed Ali wasn’t a slave right? He was referring to his ancestry and acknowledging it with his new name. Why can’t Ngozi do the same?

Is Marlene Headley a slave name (assuming this is this woman's real name)?

Nobody needs to justify anything, But people will speculate, surely

And something that tells me you would not have dared to speculate to Mohammed Ali about his name change and where he was from. A black woman is fair game though huh.

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 21:42

NosnowontheScottishhills · 01/12/2022 21:27

"But the incident happened in the palace, with a representative of the palace. She’s supposed to approach her aggressor and expect to be treated fairly? That’s like calling the police when the police have attacked you."
@stuntbubbles* Its pretty standard stuff that if you gave a complaint against an organisation you start of complaining to to the organisation whether it be the NHS, a school or your bank. For example independent regulators wont get involved until you have complained to the organisation if you have a grievance against them and awaited their investigation and response.
As I said above if Ngozi had made an official complaint to the palace and received either no response or a mealy mouthed one fine take to social media but give the palace a chance to investigate and to come up with a satisfactory way of addressing her grievance.
SH's comments behaviour was very much in the wrong but Ngozi's was also wrong in the way she reported it.

There is no wrong way for someone to speak out about racist remarks that have been made to them.

There were no rules and regulations she had to follow. No official guidance she was tied into.

You can want racism to be dealt with out of the spotlight as much as you like. But the victims of it have a right to speak out and loud and to make themselves heard.

And if the Palace doesn't like it if someone takes to twitter or the press to discuss it, don't send out racist representatives to talk to the public.

AndyWarholsPiehole · 01/12/2022 21:50

Her name doesn't even make sense. Igbo name + name of a Muslim tribe. She isn't Igbo and isn't isn't Fulani.

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 21:55

Lolz

The Lady Hussey racism thing
Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 22:01

AndyWarholsPiehole · 01/12/2022 21:50

Her name doesn't even make sense. Igbo name + name of a Muslim tribe. She isn't Igbo and isn't isn't Fulani.

How do you know she isn't Igbo out of curiosity?

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:02

The black woman on the receiving end of racist remarks has been subjected to a level of scrutiny and criticism that nobody, NOBODY is interested in applying to the white woman who actually made those remarks. That says an awful lot about the society we live in, I think

Of course one should be scrutinised more than the other as she made an accusation and the other lady lost her post as a result

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:04

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:02

The black woman on the receiving end of racist remarks has been subjected to a level of scrutiny and criticism that nobody, NOBODY is interested in applying to the white woman who actually made those remarks. That says an awful lot about the society we live in, I think

Of course one should be scrutinised more than the other as she made an accusation and the other lady lost her post as a result

Is that how the law works? We only scrutinise the victim, not the criminal?

FlorettaB · 01/12/2022 22:05

’Of course one should be scrutinised more than the other as she made an accusation and the other lady lost her post as a result’

I really hope you don’t work in victim support.

dollymixtured · 01/12/2022 22:05

Excellent, we are back to the Susan Hussey committed a crime allegation.

Blueeyedgirl21 · 01/12/2022 22:08

I don’t necessarily think ASKING is always a problem. It’s the way she asked and the weird persistence

PetraBP · 01/12/2022 22:09

MaryMollyPolly · 01/12/2022 19:56

The person on the receiving end of offensive behaviour doesn’t have to be personally offended. “For your conduct or language to be offensive at law it must, be calculated to wound the feelings, arouse anger or resentment or disgust or outrage in the mind of a reasonable person.” Which it clearly has.

There’s no law protecting people from being offended in England.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 01/12/2022 22:09

The fact that OP is describing this as a ‘racist thing’ shows just how much this is being minimised.

Blueeyedgirl21 · 01/12/2022 22:10

@Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead I thought Ngozi Fulani’s name was a name she changed her name to? Her family name isn’t Fulani from what I’ve seen - her siblings and parents have a different name . Might be her married name not sure though

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:14

dollymixtured · 01/12/2022 22:05

Excellent, we are back to the Susan Hussey committed a crime allegation.

Well, no, if you follow the exchange, itks horsewhobolted who is making Hussey out to br the accused. I’m just following their analogy that only the accuser should be scrutinised and asking whether they think that’s what happens in the law too.

TheSnootiestFox · 01/12/2022 22:15

Dotingmumandgranny · 01/12/2022 12:39

So, as a white person, you wouldn't have been offended? Right then.

You evidently have zero idea of what black people endure and are expected to put up with and not make a fuss.

I am mixed race, close to 70 and I've listened to this sort of shit all my life.

I don't know how you have the gall to talk about 'playing the race card.' You should be ashamed of yourself.

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No shame felt here. Sorry to disappoint.

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 01/12/2022 22:18

www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-lady-susan-hussey/

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 22:19

TheSnootiestFox · 01/12/2022 22:15

No shame felt here. Sorry to disappoint.

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So a white person asked you - white person - where you’re from…yawn. So cutting edge.

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 22:21

Blueeyedgirl21 · 01/12/2022 22:10

@Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead I thought Ngozi Fulani’s name was a name she changed her name to? Her family name isn’t Fulani from what I’ve seen - her siblings and parents have a different name . Might be her married name not sure though

Oh yes I understand that. I was curious as to why a poster was certain she wasn't Igbo when there were several thousands of Igbo people transported to the Caribbean as part of the slave trade. I assumed I had missed a post or something that explained this.

AndyWarholsPiehole · 01/12/2022 22:22

How do you know she isn't Igbo out of curiosity?

Apart form her parents not being igbo or even Nigerian? An Igbo person would never give themselves the name of a tribe that has been at war with them, theyre traditional enemies.

NosnowontheScottishhills · 01/12/2022 22:23

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 21:42

There is no wrong way for someone to speak out about racist remarks that have been made to them.

There were no rules and regulations she had to follow. No official guidance she was tied into.

You can want racism to be dealt with out of the spotlight as much as you like. But the victims of it have a right to speak out and loud and to make themselves heard.

And if the Palace doesn't like it if someone takes to twitter or the press to discuss it, don't send out racist representatives to talk to the public.

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Its not that I want just racism in particular dealt with out of the spotlight I think every complaint whether it be racism, a complaint against the NHS or any other organisation should initially be dealt with formally and in the first instance only the people/organisation directly involved. I deal with quite a few complaints in my job many are totally justified. I carefully read what it written and discuss where necessary the complaint with the staff involved. This is very often a learning/training opportunity either for the individual: no members of staff is perfect some say and do the wrong thing either intentionally or unintentionally, occasionally one acts completely out of character or it may be a learning opportunity for my dept a a whole, we can look at what things we need to change. I then talk to the person who made the complaint and ask them if they are happy with the outcomes and if not we then look at what we need to do . On our side everything is confidential both for the person who made the complaint and also for those who've been complained againstI. Maybe its my age (I dont use facebook/twitter etc) but to me this seems the most effective and professional way of dealing with complaints and also in my extensive experience generates the best outcomes for everyone. We have changed the way we work for the better on the back of complaints, staff have learnt important lessons and training has been modified/expanded, complaints are time consuming to address but as we constantly try to improve they are important.

FirewomanSam · 01/12/2022 22:24

thehorsehasnowbolted · 01/12/2022 22:02

The black woman on the receiving end of racist remarks has been subjected to a level of scrutiny and criticism that nobody, NOBODY is interested in applying to the white woman who actually made those remarks. That says an awful lot about the society we live in, I think

Of course one should be scrutinised more than the other as she made an accusation and the other lady lost her post as a result

An allegation that nobody involved has challenged or denied. An allegation that was corroborated by witnesses. An allegation that both Lady SH and the palace have apologised for and for which the palace have taken the action they deemed appropriate.

What exactly is that scrutiny supposed to be achieving?

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