Does the UK have a racism problem?

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In just the last 24 hours alone we've had in the news:

Prince William’s godmother quits palace over comments to black charity boss

Meghan Markle had several 'disgusting' and credible threats to her life, Met cop reveals

Various people's census rants going viral and getting a scary amount of support

James McAvoy shocked by hometown racism in Glasgow after castmates abused on street

and a few days prior:

London Fire Brigade houses a toxic culture of bullying, racism and misogyny, inquiry finds

No, much less racist than elsewhere, people just kicking up trouble, see MM (who thought she would get more money than she got). The latest headline is another troublemaker. Very boring now

Less racist than elsewhere? So still racist? So still a problem.

I don't know why people keep referring to how racist other places are compared to us.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

What examples do you want? I have many many positive examples of integration. I was simply saying I my original post that I want more integration as whilst the majority of immigrants do want to, there are still a large number who do not. You can walk on any hospital ward in a culturally diverse and will see someone who has been here 10+ years and can’t speak English. Not through lack of support as there are numerous settings offering free ESOL classes. I said I wish it was a condition that English was tried to be learnt within a certain number of years.

i wouldn’t move to Spain and make no effort to not learn Spanish. You suggesting that makes me racist is ludicrous.

Why is calling out racism, trouble making?

There will always be racism, everywhere.

Yes. No question about it.
I work in a pub, in a rural, very “white” area. The amount of thinly veiled racism I hear being spewed on a daily basis is astounding 😳
I love casually dropping in the fact that I have mixed race children and watching them squirm with embarrassment over whatever racist remark they’ve just made.

Of course it does. Meghan Market being more hated that Prince Andrew tells you all you need to know about the British public.

How do some immigrants not speaking English justify racism? What’s the correlation?

And what about all the British immigrant ex-pats in Spain who can’t speak Spanish. Should Spain deport them all?

The fact that you're dragging MM into this just really proves a point though doesn't it.

It's boring to you, presumably a white privileged woman who likes to turn her head the other way and pretend it's not an issue since it doesn't affect you? Nice.

Usually people call it trouble making, what they usually mean is that we don’t know our place and are getting above our stations.

This!!!Please travel a bit and then discuss this.

Wow. You need to educate yourself. What you've written is a racist defence of a very obviously racist interrogation.

It ticks all the victim-blaming crap: throw dirt at victim and accuse her of a different crime (Meghan and domestic violence); make excuses for the racist (she's elderly); explain how the victim could have responded more kindly to the racist.

Even the most obtuse, rude, entitled white person should have ended that line of questioning when told, "I was born here and am British." The whole conversation is inexcusable and racist, but to fail to accept 'I'm British' is beyond awful.

If you don't understand that, you have some work to do on you.

I went to an inner city school and I and my friends were regularly called white slags, white sluts the easy white girls. Despite reporting this nothing was ever done, ever.
So I have experienced racism or does it not count because I am not a poc? Racism is active in every community and country!

Fully agree with that. There's always discrimination against people with differences in all cultures and all countries. That doesn't make it right, but it's the reality.

The problem we have is that it's all made out to be white against black, which glosses over the problem.

The reality that it's also white on white between white cultures, between different religions, etc. It's also black on black in the same way, i.e. Asians against Africans, etc. The worst racists I've ever known were an Indian family who had several businesses and were out and out racists to black Africans - one brother ended up in prison for "employing" illegal immigrant black Africans and keeping them in squalid living conditions above his fast food takeaways.

But it's not "politically correct" to mention white people subject to racism, nor to mention black people being racist to other black people. It's "ALL" about white on black racism and until we talk about other kinds, then the problems will never be properly addressed.

Of course. Interesting to me though is your use of the word "cipher" meaning I presume - a nothing, a no one, not real, irrelevant as you said.

Never fails to make me smile though, that those who bang on about racism - a large part of which is dehumanising the other person, are only too willing themselves to engage in dehumanising language towards those who won't agree with them. Never mind just another little anomaly these new definitions tend to consistently throw up.

You'll forgive me if I don't reply any further to you, I'm on a city break on Europe mainland with my children and have now finished my breakfast and will be heading out into the cold to See Some Sights. Hope everyone has a lovely day

@ReformedWaywardTeen And you are what's wrong with the world today. Hope you don't have children and start teaching them that nonsense.

Maybe you wouldn't, but considering how many Brits cannot speak a second language (unlike most people in Europe) and how many of them do live abroad in Spain, Italy, Portugal, etc. statistically were no different to the immigrants that don't speak English.

Also, for all the complaints about immigration, we can't have an honest discussion without addressing that the reason many people immigrate in the first place is due to Britain's history of engaging in colonialism, and even recently wars in the middle East. We cannot keep running around impacting the quality of life in these places and be surprised when they move here to pursue a better quality of life.

I'm not going to continue to answer you as it's pointless. In your narrative, I am wrong, or gaslighting and you are correct.

You don't see that I've indirectly been threatened due to racism towards another equally "protected" group which isn't protected at all. You have decided I, as a white female, am racist as no doubt in your narrative, we all universally.

So I suggest you continue your narrative with someone else on the thread. There have been some particularly repugnant comments on here but yet you've not noticed or flagged them.

What nonsense is that?

Please explain.

And once again someone decides to bring someone's children into their argument whilst adding nothing to any debate.

What a stupid comment.

I've "travelled a bit" and also lived in many countries thanks.

British people love to think the racism here isn't bad because it's more passive aggressive than agressive.

Considering how many people are defending and minimizing on this thread it really goes to show there is a huge problem still.

All countries have racism problems. I’m white, and I have been called ‘gwai lo’ to my face in Hong Kong. The U.K. is far from perfect, but this is one of the better places in the world to be a visible ethnic minority, as the current incumbent of Number 10 would agree.

'No not compared to the rest of the world. Go to eastern Europe , China , Russia even Singapore'

Exactly.

Look at all the widespread outrage over Hussey's comments. If we were an institutionalised racist country the story would have been buried and the majority would've said so what.

This country fights and addresses racism far more than other countries.

I'll help. Here's what you said:

However, I don't believe the lady did anything wrong. I think she fumbled a bit. I think she's a very elderly woman from a different time. But racist? No.

No different to saying "he's a man he can't help himself" or other excusing of abhorrent behaviour.

People who are always willing to excuse behaviour like this shouldn't have kids because we have enough racists, rapists, and god knows what else in this world already. Hope this clears things up for you.

Your smiley emojis convey the opposite of what you intend. They convey that you’re actually seething with hatred and trying to disguise it. And funny how after your postulations about how my views mean ‘precisely nothing’, you are so sensitive to being called a cypher yourself.

Hypocrisy much?

Enjoy your city break, can’t be fun if you’re on MN.