Page 6 | Does the UK have a racism problem?

JolllyBee · 2022-11-30T20:43:39+00:00

In just the last 24 hours alone we've had in the news: *Prince William’s godmother quits palace over comments to black charity boss* *Meghan Markle had several 'disgusting' and credible threats to her life, Met cop reveals* *Various people's census rants going viral and getting a scary amount of support* *James McAvoy shocked by hometown racism in Glasgow after castmates abused on street* and a few days prior: *London Fire Brigade houses a toxic culture of bullying, racism and misogyny, inquiry finds*

1925vat · 01/12/2022 08:31

LookingAtYou · 01/12/2022 08:28

'No not compared to the rest of the world. Go to eastern Europe , China , Russia even Singapore'

Exactly.

Look at all the widespread outrage over Hussey's comments. If we were an institutionalised racist country the story would have been buried and the majority would've said so what.

This country fights and addresses racism far more than other countries.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Great - we have portions of society that are not racist. That does not detract from the fact that we still have portions of the UK that are racist.

So yes - the UK is racist

Maximinimalist · 01/12/2022 08:31

ReformedWaywardTeen · 01/12/2022 08:25

I'm not going to continue to answer you as it's pointless. In your narrative, I am wrong, or gaslighting and you are correct.

You don't see that I've indirectly been threatened due to racism towards another equally "protected" group which isn't protected at all. You have decided I, as a white female, am racist as no doubt in your narrative, we all universally.

So I suggest you continue your narrative with someone else on the thread. There have been some particularly repugnant comments on here but yet you've not noticed or flagged them.

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This is just so ridiculous. Thankfully people are no longer putting up with this nonsense.

SkinnyFatte · 01/12/2022 08:32

I work at tube stations and have done for over 20 years. I'm white British. I have witnessed racism towards my colleagues (overtly and subtly) over and over. I have been called names by people of different cultures to my own. (Also sexist things, threats to my life, yada yada). It shouldn't be happening in these enlightened times but it does. I also see it subtly. My manager is Black African, and when a customer isn't happy with me, and wants to "see my manager", he turns up and you see that subtle hesitation, that brief thought process going across their faces...I mean, it's obvious.

At Tube stations all of society is present. It's by no means a science but we can definitely see what beliefs and attitudes are still out there.

LookingAtYou · 01/12/2022 08:32

'Of course. Interesting to me though is your use of the word "cipher" meaning I presume - a nothing, a no one, not real, irrelevant as you said. Never fails to make me smile though, that those who bang on about racism - a large part of which is dehumanising the other person, are only too willing themselves to engage in dehumanising language towards those who won't agree with them.'

Yes, such overt hypocrisy.

OKild09 · 01/12/2022 08:34

ReformedWaywardTeen · 01/12/2022 08:26

What nonsense is that?

Please explain.

And once again someone decides to bring someone's children into their argument whilst adding nothing to any debate.

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Because if your children grow up with the mindset of the rubbish post you just typed then the world will continue to be fucked.

Honestly, I don't educate racist anymore. I use to but if in 2022 you can't see what's wrong with what you posted then there's no hope for you or your children.

LookingAtYou · 01/12/2022 08:34

'Two wrongs don't make a right'

I didn't say it did. Compared to other countries we are one of the most inclusive and diverse. The misguided comments of a royal aide at a function does not equal the UK is racist.

Same1977 · 01/12/2022 08:35

Miajk · 01/12/2022 08:27

What a stupid comment.

I've "travelled a bit" and also lived in many countries thanks.

British people love to think the racism here isn't bad because it's more passive aggressive than agressive.

Considering how many people are defending and minimizing on this thread it really goes to show there is a huge problem still.

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Racism exist everywhere,it always will be.
All I am saying that as a foreigner in UK the ksot obvious and offensive racist I have encountered has actually been in Africa and Asia.

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 08:35

ReformedWaywardTeen · 01/12/2022 08:25

I'm not going to continue to answer you as it's pointless. In your narrative, I am wrong, or gaslighting and you are correct.

You don't see that I've indirectly been threatened due to racism towards another equally "protected" group which isn't protected at all. You have decided I, as a white female, am racist as no doubt in your narrative, we all universally.

So I suggest you continue your narrative with someone else on the thread. There have been some particularly repugnant comments on here but yet you've not noticed or flagged them.

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Again - why are you making the racist treatment of a black woman about white people?

Why not start your own thread about travellers, why hijack this one?

I've indirectly been threatened due to racism

What does this even mean? You are sounding stranger with every post. Racism-hijacking seems to be your thing.

girlmom21 · 01/12/2022 08:38

LookingAtYou · 01/12/2022 08:34

'Two wrongs don't make a right'

I didn't say it did. Compared to other countries we are one of the most inclusive and diverse. The misguided comments of a royal aide at a function does not equal the UK is racist.

The OP didn't ask if the U.K. is inherently racist. She asked if there's a racism problem, which there is.

If there wasn't, her examples wouldn't exist.

Maximinimalist · 01/12/2022 08:39

Typical aggressor claiming they are threatened and fear for their lives. Brown and black bodies must pay the price.

And so the world turns…

Emmitt Till, Central Park woman calling the cops on black man, and the countless cases of innocent black people losing or in danger of losing their lives because of white women fearing for their lives.

Ngozi should have simply taken the abuse and spare this white woman from any discomfort. After all, everything must centre on her feelings and to hell with how Ngozi might feel.

Like I said, thank God people are no longer putting up with this nonsense.

The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice!!!!!

Maximinimalist · 01/12/2022 08:41

LookingAtYou · 01/12/2022 08:34

'Two wrongs don't make a right'

I didn't say it did. Compared to other countries we are one of the most inclusive and diverse. The misguided comments of a royal aide at a function does not equal the UK is racist.

Says who? An experience of racism is an experience of racism. You expect a victim to be glad that they experienced it here rather than over there?

What nonsense competition - which country is not as racist as the other?

Barnowl25 · 01/12/2022 08:42

We lived overseas for 25 years and we were horrified at the casual racism we encountered when we returned to UK. Very sad.

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 08:42

HarvestThyme · 01/12/2022 08:22

Wow. You need to educate yourself. What you've written is a racist defence of a very obviously racist interrogation.

It ticks all the victim-blaming crap: throw dirt at victim and accuse her of a different crime (Meghan and domestic violence); make excuses for the racist (she's elderly); explain how the victim could have responded more kindly to the racist.

Even the most obtuse, rude, entitled white person should have ended that line of questioning when told, "I was born here and am British." The whole conversation is inexcusable and racist, but to fail to accept 'I'm British' is beyond awful.

If you don't understand that, you have some work to do on you.

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It ticks all the victim-blaming crap: throw dirt at victim and accuse her of a different crime (Meghan and domestic violence); make excuses for the racist (she's elderly); explain how the victim could have responded more kindly to the racist.

A good summary of @ReformedWaywardTeen ‘s ramblings.

And of course she completes the script by insisting white people have it much worse. We must immediately stop discussing this incident and move on to travellers.

808Kate1 · 01/12/2022 08:44

@ReformedWaywardTeen You're an apologist for racism (there's another word for that). Your DH being from an ethnic minority group is not relevant but your posts on this thread are.

(btw people from minority groups can be racist too).

Popgoestheweaselagain · 01/12/2022 08:44

There definitely is - and I think it's growing. However, having travelled and lived in a few other countries, I've realised that this idea that you shouldn't judge or sterotype people based on their ethnic background is quite a Western, liberal one. Not everybody has bought into it, but people are less likely to express racist views in public in this country, like they're fact, because they know it will be frowned on - private is quite different, of course. Also, a lof of people around the world have quite negative and hostile ideas about westerners and western culture - especially women. This idea that if you're white you'll never experience negativity, hate and violence because of your race isn't true. Especially sexual violence, if you're a woman.

AppleIsMyName · 01/12/2022 08:46

808Kate1 · 01/12/2022 08:44

@ReformedWaywardTeen You're an apologist for racism (there's another word for that). Your DH being from an ethnic minority group is not relevant but your posts on this thread are.

(btw people from minority groups can be racist too).

Bingo Bingo Bingo.

It's all so cliche' as well.

Oh I can't be racist, my friend is black and my neighbour is Asian 😂😂😂

Maximinimalist · 01/12/2022 08:49

Popgoestheweaselagain · 01/12/2022 08:44

There definitely is - and I think it's growing. However, having travelled and lived in a few other countries, I've realised that this idea that you shouldn't judge or sterotype people based on their ethnic background is quite a Western, liberal one. Not everybody has bought into it, but people are less likely to express racist views in public in this country, like they're fact, because they know it will be frowned on - private is quite different, of course. Also, a lof of people around the world have quite negative and hostile ideas about westerners and western culture - especially women. This idea that if you're white you'll never experience negativity, hate and violence because of your race isn't true. Especially sexual violence, if you're a woman.

Prejudice is one thing, racism quite another.

There is no one who would claim that there is no prejudice against white people or Westerners.

A couple of points you may want to consider: you appear to imply that only white people are Westerners. Same mindset as the Lady Hussey. In your very last sentence, in the context of what you are saying in that paragraph, you also appear to suggest only whites women suffer sexual violence or that only whites women are women.

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CrapBag39 · 01/12/2022 08:51

💯 it always has and it always will.

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What does that even mean. Who is to take comfort from such nonsense. Is this a stat to make white British people feel better? That ethnic minorities here should be grateful?

Whynobreadpudding · 01/12/2022 08:54

There is an article by a historian that said the British took 43 trillion from India over their reign there and the repercussions from it. People don’t realise that this is a rich country because of colonialism. Schools don’t teach this.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 01/12/2022 08:56

Miajk · 01/12/2022 08:29

I'll help. Here's what you said:

However, I don't believe the lady did anything wrong. I think she fumbled a bit. I think she's a very elderly woman from a different time. But racist? No.

No different to saying "he's a man he can't help himself" or other excusing of abhorrent behaviour.

People who are always willing to excuse behaviour like this shouldn't have kids because we have enough racists, rapists, and god knows what else in this world already. Hope this clears things up for you.

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You are joking right?

What I said has no relation to people who excuse male violence. Get a hold of yourself.

I've heard of farfetched ways to "prove" an argument but that's way up there in it's ridiculous nature.

Moonmelodies · 01/12/2022 08:57

Whynobreadpudding · 01/12/2022 08:54

There is an article by a historian that said the British took 43 trillion from India over their reign there and the repercussions from it. People don’t realise that this is a rich country because of colonialism. Schools don’t teach this.

Britain was already a rich country.

Dotjones · 01/12/2022 08:59

Racism is a natural human trait, everyone discriminates to some extent even if it's not consciously. It's natural to favour those who are like us, because throughout most of human history (some would say all of human history) the threat has indeed been the outsider, the unknown. By default, favouring the known is also discriminating against the unknown.

Those who look like you, speak like you and live their lives like you are more of a known quantity. It's easier to understand them and they are less likely to do something unexpected.

That doesn't make it "right" or "good" or anything like that, it's just that it's the truth. You can't erase hundreds of thousands of years of evolution overnight, it would take many generations and would rely on all humans committing to erase it over those generations.

In the modern world the main threats to me personally seem to be those that are "different" to me, at least that's the impression I get from the news. Whether it's a Russian leader threatening nuclear war, a radical Islamist committing terrorist acts or the elite screwing over normal people time and time again, I see little to dissuade me that the biggest threats to my existence are indeed people who are different to me.

It's the way things are, often truths are uncomfortable. Nature isn't pure in the sense of having a morality that coincides with ours at the present time. Slavery is a natural institution too, and current morality also condemns that. The point is, we can choose to override our nature, but it's not easy and takes many generations.

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 09:02

Popgoestheweaselagain · 01/12/2022 08:44

There definitely is - and I think it's growing. However, having travelled and lived in a few other countries, I've realised that this idea that you shouldn't judge or sterotype people based on their ethnic background is quite a Western, liberal one. Not everybody has bought into it, but people are less likely to express racist views in public in this country, like they're fact, because they know it will be frowned on - private is quite different, of course. Also, a lof of people around the world have quite negative and hostile ideas about westerners and western culture - especially women. This idea that if you're white you'll never experience negativity, hate and violence because of your race isn't true. Especially sexual violence, if you're a woman.

Can you explain who has said white people don’t experience negativity, hate and violence? And that sexual violence against women isn’t a problem?

But black women have to deal with the double whammy of racism and sexism.