Does the UK have a racism problem?

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In just the last 24 hours alone we've had in the news:

Prince William’s godmother quits palace over comments to black charity boss

Meghan Markle had several 'disgusting' and credible threats to her life, Met cop reveals

Various people's census rants going viral and getting a scary amount of support

James McAvoy shocked by hometown racism in Glasgow after castmates abused on street

and a few days prior:

London Fire Brigade houses a toxic culture of bullying, racism and misogyny, inquiry finds

I’m not reading that long rambling mess, which is suspect is only that long because its author has padded it out with thereafter and heretofore. Appears not to present any evidence or information til about tweet 8; it just reads like lunatic stream of consciousness.

Kind of cheeky, trying so hard to discredit the accuser by digging into what she does. The conversation between her and LH so far seemed genuine as no dispute on that. So what would it change even if the accuser has anything wrongdoing outside this conversation ? Isn't the subject of the debate is the conversation itself? What's the intention trying to deacrit the accusing side by something irrelevant to the subject itself???

It's like a domestic abuse victim is told she doesn't have the right to complain if she committed wrongdoings in her personal affair outside the household.

Why do you try so hard to defend LH?

The point is that I firmly believe that she had a motive to discredit someone in or linked to the Royals. In doing so, she has invited scrutiny into her actions.

It's like anything else, you can't go on TV and not expect something dodgy to come out if there's something dodgy about you.

I said from the start I found it questionable why someone who has so vocally slated the Royals and accused them of DV against MM, would accept an invitation from them.

This charity, if you can call it that, has seemingly scammed hundreds of thousands from charities and government agencies. Apparently several are now speaking directly to the guy who posted it with a view to investigating huge fraud.

What upsets people is this charity has claimed money which could've been spent on genuine projects.

If you can still say "but what about" with regards Lady Hussey shows that yet again, discrimination is fine when it's against one group.

I would question if anyone has ever received help from Sistah Space other than the Headley family.

How many times does it have to be said.. it wasn’t the asking but LH not accepting the answer given. There was no reason for her to continue to ask. No one owes anyone their life story or background just because someone asks especially if you cannot accept the answer given.

That is not a hard concept to understand.

I don't agree. We are not born naturally hating people with a skin-colour that's different from ours, any more than a brunette is born naturally hating a blond person. It's a fallacy.

Racism is learned behaviour.

Yes, the UK is a racist country. Yes, so is the eastern seaboard of the US, particularly the southern states. I've only lived in those two countries so I'm unable to comment on any others with certainty (but certain forms of national behaviour, such as the treatment of first nation Australians by the colonial populace).

The excuse 'but other countries are worse' is not an excuse.

Yet if you put a red ant next to a black ant they attack each other.

I think animals are actually quite tribal tbh.

They're different species.

Lady SH was racist to Ngozi Fulani. How is stating that being discriminatory against one group?

An anonymous racist on twitter posts a load of shite about NF and Sistah Space because he's a lowlife misogynist and all the people who made themselves look racist and stupid are desperately clinging to it thinking it excuses their idiocy. It doesn't.

Lady Susan Hussey was racist to Ngozi Fulani. Even if it were to be discovered that NF murdered her entire family, it wouldn't change the fact that Lady S was racist to her at the Palace.

I tried reading some of the rambling thread attacking Fulani. Two things stood out: 1. The writer (apparently a bloke called James) appears to have no awareness at the increase of da during the pandemic. 2. He appears to have no grasp of the issues around “slave names” and re-naming and claims that she changed her name “for the purposes of presenting as a minority”.

After that I gave up. Not before noticing this obsessively researched incredibly long thread is is his one and only.

The fucktwit James is shining a light on how much racism is a problem in the UK. People who won't believe a woman received racism despite witnesses and a RF investigation are falling over themselves to believe an anonymous random bloke on the internet.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

This country has gone to the dogs.

But yet there is clear evidence of a miss use of funds, the charity shop is given donations that they then sell to service users, and now several commissions are looking into it.
But yes, please blame racism for someone doing what the charity commission should have done and indulging in due diligence.

This woman has made a career of getting her own way by shouting racism. This time however, she has come unstuck. Hackney council increased their budget to appease her and her selective charity.

So by doing so, and her only having it open to one community, that in itself is racist.

There's clear evidence that this stupid racist hasn't got the first idea how charities work. Ngozi Fulani has made a career and is widely respected for the work she does with female victims of male violence.

Although you could be right @ReformedWaywardTeen, maybe he's not racist. He could be a violent abuser whose victim was helped by Sistah Space.🤷‍♀️

However, as I've said, Ngozi Fulani was a victim of Lady SH's racism. It happened.

I would agree with this to an extent.

As a foreigner in the UK (but white), there are pockets of huge racism and xenophobia. But I do feel a lot of effort is being put in to educating people about this, and at least in educated circles it is considered unacceptable by most.

That said, could the UK do more? Yes, of course.

Why is he automatically racist for finding clear evidence that this woman and her female have scammed charities? And no, she doesn't have a long history, not officially, as get so called charity was only financially registered in 2020.

What evidence do you have other than he dates call out a scam for what it is to accuse him automatically of racial prejudice?

This is exactly what many have said on this thread, that it's always the same that the minute you voice a concern you are immediately racist.

Did you read my post @ReformedWaywardTeen? I clearly said you could be right, maybe he's not racist.🙈

The media tearing down Meghan and the UK absolutely lapping it up clearly demonstrates that racism is alive and kicking.

I'm not denying the UK has a racism problem but I don't think the UK as a country 'lapped up' the Meghan Markle hoo-hah. I tend not to talk about it because what the Royal Family does or doesn't do is completely removed from my own life (apart from the tax pounds that come out of my pay packet that would be better spent elsewhere) and I don't want to give them headspace. The discussion around them is intended to distract from the fact that those people who are meant to be running the country are decimating it instead in my view.

Yes you did.

But then you also said he could be a violent male with an agenda.

I prefer to suggest that he has done what many councils and charities should have done which was to look into the running of the charity and where the money was actually being spent.

When I checked the twitter feed, he had retweeted Nigel Farage and written an old, unpleasant "joke" about a black female MP. So I thought: Racist. Then I read the Threadapp piece. It reminded me of the ranty shite me and my colleagues received when I worked with female survivors of male violence.

What makes you think he is the knowledgeable, altruistic type @ReformedWaywardTeen?

Agree @ReformedWaywardTeen

To suggest that potential criminal activity should not be investigated due to the person in question being a POC is utterly preposterous but also useful in showing the contradictions and issues with a "racism" defined by "dog whistles" and "micro aggressions". When you say that a person in the public eye who may have committed a crime shouldn't be looked at because something "racist" happened to them, then you're giving criminal behaviour a pass on the grounds of your own flimsy belief system. At this point you have completely jumped the shark.

Exactly

And if it's true that any time anyone said no, or questioned the validity of why the money was needed, that accusations of racism were thrown around to get their own way, well, that just proves that we are in very dangerous territory.

How can charities expect to get a fair chance of funding if you have potential frauds like this seems to be (and yes, it's now across the media) using that line to jump the queue?

Nobody has said that potential criminal activity should not be investigated. No one at all. Nor should it be too difficult to investigate given that the information isn't hidden. It's quite public.

I am glad that you have finally accepted that Lady SH was racist to Ngozi Fulani.

Nobody has said that potential criminal activity should not be investigated. No one at all. Nor should it be too difficult to investigate given that the information isn't hidden. It's quite public.

I think there will be much to find. It's remarkable just how many recent "charities" and "appeals" around supporting POC have been mismanaged and the funds misused - see also BLM both in the UK and US. And you have suggested repeatedly that this information gathering is the work of a "racist" and also possibly an "abuser" and also for "revenge". I understood this to mean that you think investigating NF and her "charity" to be a "racist attack" and obviously as such should be resisted. I apologise if I misunderstood you...

I am glad that you have finally accepted that Lady SH was racist to Ngozi Fulani.

I was speaking generally and in good faith about POC possible experiences of racism. I didn't specify my own views on NF vs SH. Sorry to disappoint.

I didn't specify my own views on NF vs SH.

I was unaware there was any conflict or dispute as to what happened to Ngozi Fulani at the Palace. No one is vs -ing anyone.

What is your view on what happened @LondonWolf ?

Within the police most definitely and certain other organisations like housing associations.
but it’s not only white people it’s also the ethnic people who work in these places who will ignore racism to not be seen as “a difficult person”

speaking from experience and not white.