Does the UK have a racism problem?

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In just the last 24 hours alone we've had in the news:

Prince William’s godmother quits palace over comments to black charity boss

Meghan Markle had several 'disgusting' and credible threats to her life, Met cop reveals

Various people's census rants going viral and getting a scary amount of support

James McAvoy shocked by hometown racism in Glasgow after castmates abused on street

and a few days prior:

London Fire Brigade houses a toxic culture of bullying, racism and misogyny, inquiry finds

There is a racism problem in this country, much of it I think hidden or disguised.

Sorry but I don't agree.

And YOU are part of the issue.

She could have just as I said say "I was born in Britain and based in Hackney, my parents are from..."

Also, if you had principles, why would you accept an invite to a place, with people who you had publicly and vocally accused of domestic violence? Especially as a Domestic violence advocate? If you were so vocal about their behaviour towards Meghan (which although was pretty poor, didn't constitute "violence" and Meghan has never accused anyone of actually hitting, beating or any other assault against her), why on earth would you go and be photographed quite happily in the palace? I would have declined and on declining explained why. She has left herself open to accusations that she went looking for offence to back her already negative and entirely false narrative against the Royals.

And full disclosure, I'm anti Monarchy. I don't see the point of them. I don't think Meghan was treated well, much the same as I don't believe Diana was either. I think they are an outdated side show along with hereditary peers. I don't believe we "need" a monarchy for tourism.

However, I don't believe the lady did anything wrong. I think she fumbled a bit. I think she's a very elderly woman from a different time. But racist? No.

Congratulations on being part of the problem.

Sometimes the need for safety trumps the disgust at racism. Doesn't make it ok.

She could have just as I said say "I was born in Britain and based in Hackney, my parents are from..."

Yes OF COURSE! The black person is at fault for not submitting submissively to her interrogation. How dare she get uppity about being questioned by white aristocracy!

We are not puppets. We don’t have to answer your rude questions to satisfy your rude curiously.

As for the rest of your garbage about Ms Fulani accepting the invite - I think the police are institutionally racist but I still have to contact them when I need them. Just because we see the shit doesn’t mean we can always avoid it.

Sorry that happened to you, Simon, those people are truly scum.

And then when we keep to our communities to avoid being victims of racism, we are accused of not integrating. It’s a double edged, shitty sword.

It absolutely does have a racism problem. I will also say that many (all?) countries do. We need to continously be vigilant and fight against it.

Of course there is racism here. It’s from all sections of society though not just white people and compared to other countries i don’t know how bad we are.

im not anti immigration but don’t agree with some policies at present. I get fed up of seeing people who have moved here, not tried to learn the language, not tried to integrate other than their sub culture and are able to claim benefits extremely quickly. I say I don’t agree with it because there should be stricter rules on it. The NHS for example pays an absolute fortune on interpreters for people who have lived here 5+ years. I also completely understand the British colonised their country first so do believe they should be able to come here, just with conditions to learn the language, integrate more and make a financial contribution.

I don't know why people keep comparing us to other countries, as though being a little bit less racist makes it ok.

@Familydilemmas immigrants contribute much more into the economy than they take out, so you’ve started off with a shit point.

And ‘sub-culture’ is offensive. Maybe your culture is a ‘sub-culture’ to immigrants. What parts of your sub-culture do you want them to take on?

As for integration, when was the last time you invited an immigrant to a meal at your house?

No, the media creates racism where racism didn't exist!

But it's immigrants who are propping up the NHS and keeping it running. We recently had to go to A and E. We saw about 6 different members of staff from receptionists, to nurses and doctors. They were all immigrants and all excellent. I felt very grateful to have them working here.

I know this on the whole. I am talking about some of the issues i see personally on a day to day basis. I see many, many people as i have described in my town in a week. I wasn’t aware the term sub-culture was offensive, I’ve just woken up and simply mean that in my town we have streets of white British, streets of Romanians, streets of Pakistani and it feels quite segregated.
to your last question, last week actually. My DCs best friend is a recent immigrant.

With the greatest of respect, she wasn't interrogated. She was asked a question which she blocked.

You seem to be joining her in pointing out something when nothing happened. She chose to find it offensive. As are you.

These occasions thrown at the palace are an exercise in people going round the room and chatting to people they do not know. People like Lady Hussey are there to make conversation because the main royals can't possibly get to everyone at a function.

Whilst I agree that Dr Ranj was 100% right to flag the disgusting comment by the Pimlico Plumbers guy at the curry awards, the other is just an exercise in "I don't like these people, I'm going to find this offensive".

She should not have attended after what she said regards the Royals. You've strangely ignored that point.

Also, my DH is of GRT descent. The racism towards that community is disgusting, and not hidden at all. It's all over Facebook. And when flagged Facebook doesn't recognise it's racism and allows it to stand. That is disgraceful but it seems to be the marker of bigotry because although they can't be openly racist against BAME groups, they can openly and unashamedly voice nasty threats and vile slurs against travellers and get away with it.

In my local area, a local Tory councillor admins a community Facebook group. She was actively encouraging a group of local males to go and be violent to the travellers on an encampment, including liking comments suggesting setting fire to caravans whilst the occupant's slept. I reported to Facebook who did nothing. I reported to the police who did nothing and blamed the travellers. I then openly said how disgusting I found it.

It resulted in this woman threatening to use her position to make a false complaint about me to social services. Or to have me sectioned. And I'd not even disclosed about DH having come from a traveller family. I was abused, had threats, all of which Facebook declined to deal with. I took to the Tory party who didn't respond.

So yes, I do agree that racism is real. Some is quickly dealt with. But not for travellers.

Are you seriously trying to gaslight me? I’ve literally just posted her interrogation to you and you’re dismissing it as ‘a question’. She asked the same question SIX times. That’s not asking ‘a question.’ I see through you, okay?

I didn’t ignore your laughable question on why Ms Fulani even attended, I did answer with an analogy on why I still contact the police when I need them.

And of course, you’ve now made it all about white people. Ms Fulani didn’t say anything about travellers, so why are you making it about travellers?

Honestly, it’s the same old fucking script. Every fucking time. But we see through you.

So no examples, more vague references to segregation.

Can you not see why I may want to withdraw from the racists on this thread in real life? Why do I need to be subjected to them?

Good on your for the immigrant child that came to tea. Sounds like they’re integrating, so what’s your issue?

I remember seeing a little while ago on the local news that a black nurse (young, male) working for the NHS was innocently walking home from work and was beaten up in a racist attack. We live in an area with no big cities and lowish crime so it really affected me that this young guy whose job was helping save lives had this done to him, they showed a picture and it was awful.

Racism, misogyny, homophobia, ableism will always be issues that need fighting unfortunately.

This. Plus sexism. Plus homophobia. Plus more.

It has been enabled by Brexit. Farage makes it seem mainstream and ok. Its not Ok, but you can hear it in comments on here regarding immigration.

I do not defend racism. I just do not agree with the very new and very divisive academic definition, which has trickled into the mainstream and which many use because they do not care enough or are not able to think critically about its origins, and/or enjoy the power it gives them to use it in that way. Your accusations of "racism" mean precisely nothing to me, in the same way that a religious person or cult member calling me a heretic or non believer would have no impact except for eye rolling boredom

@LondonWolf same, you’re less than irrelevant. A cypher.

And yet here you are continuing to reply and attempt to insult me

And your point is?

People in desperate circumstances fleeing war, persecution and economic collapse attempting to enter (relatively) stable country means there’s no racism in destination country?

What a load of bollocks.

Of course there’s still a racism problem in Britain. It may be less explicitly obvious than it was in the 1970s but it is still endemic at an institutional level.

The United Kingdom does not have a racism problem, some people in the uk are racist unfortunately but that doesn't tar us all within the country!

An old woman and a bunch of drunk Glaswegian s do not reflect wider society. Nor do organisations.., most of us do not judge on the amount of melanin in skin!

A criminal threatening of a public figure isn't racist its criminal whatever their skin tone, I'm sure they have had credible threats against other members of the royal household too. There's extremists out there, most the U.K. aren't

Just responding to your post to me. Or is that not allowed?

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Without a doubt there is an issue with racism in the UK.