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Racism in the Royal Family

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StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 19:06

Susan Hussey has resigned. Philip was coming out with similar comments in public all his life, yet there was no move to get rid of him. AIBU to think this is more royal hypocrisy?

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Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 30/11/2022 20:45

Yeah… not sure what the “acceptable” way to call out racism is?! Twitter or anything! Doesn’t matter the means or the people involved - all the more important if public servants in our pay. Absolute shambles having people like Hussey in office - can’t even be diplomatic and welcoming to people coming to a very important event. Instead she comes out with this tripe. Ugh!!!

SoundsOfThunder · 30/11/2022 20:46

Obviously I'd have to be there to pick up on tone or aggression but I've been asked this all my life and found it was because they were just interested in other cultures.

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 20:46

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 30/11/2022 20:45

Yeah… not sure what the “acceptable” way to call out racism is?! Twitter or anything! Doesn’t matter the means or the people involved - all the more important if public servants in our pay. Absolute shambles having people like Hussey in office - can’t even be diplomatic and welcoming to people coming to a very important event. Instead she comes out with this tripe. Ugh!!!

Don’t worry she isn’t paid so you can stop being upset about that.

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 30/11/2022 20:47

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 30/11/2022 20:43

This was a charitable version of a business function - an awareness-raising and networking opportunity.

If you were representing your company at an event for companies in the same industry, and someone asked 'where you were from' would you expect to respond -

a. 'I'm from Bloggs and Co. in Basingstoke'
or
b. 'Well, I was born in Surrey, my mum is from Edinburgh and my dad is from Glasgow, but he emigrated to Scotland from Ireland in 1962. They moved to England in 1971. My maternal grandparents were Welsh and further back, on my paternal granddad's side, we have Norwegian ancestors ....'

THIS!!!!!

ditherydotty · 30/11/2022 20:48

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Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 30/11/2022 20:48

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 20:46

Don’t worry she isn’t paid so you can stop being upset about that.

Oh so no expenses covered on her attendance at any events, including ones outside of Buck Palace?

TellMeWhere · 30/11/2022 20:49

hattie43 · 30/11/2022 19:42

She might if you had an accent .
Where are you from
Harrow
No where originally
Oh Glasglow

Ngozi has a London accent. Cos she was born here. Hackney was her final answer.

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 30/11/2022 20:49

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I’m white and I never shut up, not sure what you’re talking about. Oh racists are being silenced? Yeah I hope so

StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 20:49

My comment was deleted which goes to show how white voices are being silenced

Ye Gods! You really believe that? Scary.

For years Philips offensive racist comments were seen as 'banter' and 'humour' and the recipients of this were expected to smile and take it. I'm glad this woman didn't just 'take it' and made a dignified and appropriate response.

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Neapolitanicecream · 30/11/2022 20:50

so a person asking another person where are you from is racist even if they are both of Asian descent? As I overheard in the office

MsBucket · 30/11/2022 20:51

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 19:54

futurehackney.com/ngozi

This is a woman whose identity is deeply enmeshed with her heritage. Just read her own words about her life, studies and experiences. It is central to her work now. The idea that she is so firmly British in her heritage and identity, that to suggest otherwise is wholly offensive is a massive reach. I suspect anyone who challenged her identity as African or Caribbean and said no you’re not, you’re British would be accused of offence in a different way.

@Hills2022 In case she missed it, Ngozi Fulani was at a charity event. It was not National Heritage Day. You can even find the transcript of the alleged event online. You can see that while she tried to focus on her charity, the line of questioning was not focussed on that. That is indeed offensive. It’s her prerogative when she wants to talk or write about heritage. At a charity event, she has every right to want to focus on her charity work and not on her heritage so yes, it can be offensive to not respect her wishes. You can identify as both British and and Afro-Caribbean, they’re not mutually exclusive.

MsBucket · 30/11/2022 20:52

MsBucket · 30/11/2022 20:51

@Hills2022 In case she missed it, Ngozi Fulani was at a charity event. It was not National Heritage Day. You can even find the transcript of the alleged event online. You can see that while she tried to focus on her charity, the line of questioning was not focussed on that. That is indeed offensive. It’s her prerogative when she wants to talk or write about heritage. At a charity event, she has every right to want to focus on her charity work and not on her heritage so yes, it can be offensive to not respect her wishes. You can identify as both British and and Afro-Caribbean, they’re not mutually exclusive.

In case you missed it*

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 20:52

But this exchange isn't the transcript of a recording. It's an account which has been put on Twitter and sensationalised

This is horrendous! Why does Susan Hussey not get the opportunity to tell her side of the story?

isadoradancing123 · 30/11/2022 20:52

She went there with an agenda, to cause trouble

Marmut · 30/11/2022 20:52

hattie43 · 30/11/2022 20:01

Only if you're the same colour it seems !

Of course you can ask. But if their answer refers to a particular name of city in UK, then I don't think you should pursue any further for the sake of clarifying if they are white Polish or white British. You could obviously tell from the Polish accent, that the person is from Poland and could be British through naturalisation. On the other hand, someone with a Polish name but with no Polish accent is likely British born and bred. I don't think it is hard to guess that. Having said that, it does feel rather personal to ask such question unless you actually want to talk about their "heritage".

If you are curious about someone's heritage because you would like to open up a topic about their heritage, then just ask about it directly and openly: "Are you British with African/Asian heritage? I am interested about African/Asian culture, that's why I am asking." With that statement, you clearly acknowledge that they are British and at the same time explain why you ask.

I do cringe reading the conversation between these two ladies. She clearly knew the charity lady is British (even I as an immigrant can tell whether someone is British or not from their way of speaking) and yet she still pressed on her to divulge her heritage. Especially shr then used "your people". That was pretty harsh.

Untitledsquatboulder · 30/11/2022 20:53

Snoozer11 · 30/11/2022 19:43

Yes but if you had a heavy Eastern European accent you'd probably be asked.

And it's not unreasonable to be asked "have you come far".

I have a regional accent and even I'm asked "whereabouts" I'm from.

It's not about bring asked whereabouts you are from. It's about being repeatedly asked and not believed when you answer you are British. Because of the colour of your skin.

Motorcycleemptyness · 30/11/2022 20:53

Neapolitanicecream · 30/11/2022 20:50

so a person asking another person where are you from is racist even if they are both of Asian descent? As I overheard in the office

Asking someone where they’re from isn’t racist. Repeatedly refusing to accept their answer because they aren’t white is racist. Hope that helps.

I suspect you already know that, though.

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 20:53

MsBucket · 30/11/2022 20:51

@Hills2022 In case she missed it, Ngozi Fulani was at a charity event. It was not National Heritage Day. You can even find the transcript of the alleged event online. You can see that while she tried to focus on her charity, the line of questioning was not focussed on that. That is indeed offensive. It’s her prerogative when she wants to talk or write about heritage. At a charity event, she has every right to want to focus on her charity work and not on her heritage so yes, it can be offensive to not respect her wishes. You can identify as both British and and Afro-Caribbean, they’re not mutually exclusive.

Her charity is rooted in her heritage you must have missed that detail.

Coyoacan · 30/11/2022 20:53

Forget about the lady-in-waiting, the racism on here is appalling. And people seem to forget or not care that Ngozi Fulani is obviously a VIP to have been invited to the palace in the first place.

First you invite someone and then you insult them.

Rosscameasdoody · 30/11/2022 20:54

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Not trying to excuse it in any way. Racist is racist and there is no excuse. Just pointing out that attitudes were a lot different years ago and behaviours like this wouldn’t have been called out, so they become ingrained and the perpetrators don’t see any problem with it. This lady’s line of questioning and the insistence on getting answers, is indicative of this kind of attitude. That’s all.

Orangesatsuma · 30/11/2022 20:54

I think it shows that this sort of attitude is common place within the royal family because they must have know what this lady was like as she’s served for so long and they saw nothing wrong with having her at this event.

dragonfly16 · 30/11/2022 20:55

I don't know. I'm a person of colour and absolutely don't mind people asking me where I'm "really" from, despite being born in a country that's not my ethnic heritage. I take it as them taking an interest and reply accordingly and it always feels non-racist to me.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 20:55

you can keep engaging

No, really most wise people will stop engaging completely

SaySomethingMan · 30/11/2022 20:57

ditherydotty · 30/11/2022 20:35

My comment was deleted which goes to show how white voices are being silenced.

Yes, I agree because I also saw a unicorn at the same time it happened.

Notaflippinclue · 30/11/2022 20:58

I'm from Lancashire, live in Cornwall people ask me where I'm from all the time, no problem proud of it, who cares anyway it's just conversation.