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Racism in the Royal Family

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StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 19:06

Susan Hussey has resigned. Philip was coming out with similar comments in public all his life, yet there was no move to get rid of him. AIBU to think this is more royal hypocrisy?

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KatMcBundleFace · 30/11/2022 19:30

Interesting how the power dynamic has changed.

The Palace needs to up its microagression training.

Dailymash · 30/11/2022 19:31

Just reading some of the comments online about this makes me ashamed and a bit ignorant.

My thoughts were that of course it was racist, to repeatedly ask where she was from and be told ‘Hackney’ but not accept that.. to me that was clearly a racist view. Then I read comments from people saying of course it’s not racism she was just asking a question and people are too sensitive 🙄I feel ignorant as I didn’t realise there were still so many bigots out there.

5128gap · 30/11/2022 19:31

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If an octogenarian is incapable of exercising tact when carrying out her duties, and to read, understand and adhere to her employer's inclusively policies, then she's not fit for her role. An attempt at justification on age grounds is very patronising. I work with volunteers in their 80s, not one of whom would dream of behaving in such a manner.
The woman is racist, crass, discourteous and not very bright. Her age is irrelevant.

pechecreme · 30/11/2022 19:32

All the closet racists coming out today, with the defence 'she did nothing wrong'.

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 30/11/2022 19:32

I'm saying that if you express yourself in a certain way, you invite conversation based on that expression.

@Snoozer11, Fulani wasn't asked about what she was wearing; she was asked where she was from. She answered that question.

FFS, do we all 'invite conversation' with our clothing? From total strangers? Ngozi Fulani was at the palace to celebrate the vital work she is doing on domestic abuse and that is the only acceptable topic of conversation in those circumstances.

StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 19:33

Her age gives no excuse to the woman.
If this is what she thought passed as civilised and sophisticated public engagement, she should have been left at home. This is a family with highly paid advisors to orchestrate their wardrobe, behaviour, conversations etc.

Just like the infamous tour of the Caribbean by William and Kate this is a gigantic flag that the royal family is seriously out of touch and deeply unaware of imbedded racism in their household.

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pechecreme · 30/11/2022 19:35

It's complete bollocks that older people i.e people on their 80's & 90's can't control their racist emotions. Utter bollocks!

ShinyMe · 30/11/2022 19:36

My mum is in her 80s but somehow she manages not to be so rudely racist to people she meets. Fuck off with that suggestion that old people are allowed to get away with it.

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 30/11/2022 19:36

I doubt she would have answered Hackney if she were asked by an African woman.

Why? That's where she's from.

beAsensible1 · 30/11/2022 19:38

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oh please, why should she elaborate where she is from. It was asked na answered time to move on. the constant pressing and 'oh, i can see i'm going to have some work to get where your really from' is ridiculous

Repeated where are you from as a poc in britain just means why do you look like that you're 'not biritish enough'

We are not idiots, we deal with this rubbish day in day out, someone being 89 doesn't make them any less racist. In what way is where my grandparents are from or when they came to the country part of any small talk? at an event about violence against women ffs.

The constant interrogation of our identity and the requirement to dissect your family tree is a very common racist behaviour.

Most visible ethnic minorities will likely answer where in the UK they are from , because thats where we are from. The reason most people don't go around asking people what their ethnicity is and where their family potentially migrated from is because that is a wildly inappropriate question from a STRANGER.

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 19:39

Susan Hussey was tactless and clumsy no question, but it is clear from the alleged verbatim exchange that the other party was being very disingenuous and the fact that she then chose to put the whole alleged exchange on Twitter makes it look very much like she had an agenda. A quick look at previous tweets makes it clear that this person has a very hostile view of the RF which does beg the question why she accepted the invitation in the first place given her hostility to the institution.

hattie43 · 30/11/2022 19:40

I wonder if Lady H assumed she was a foreign dignitary who had flown in for the event . She was wearing very traditional African clothes hence the where are you from conversation.

Dailymash · 30/11/2022 19:40

If the hapless octogenarian engaged me in conversation at the same event you can bet your bottom dollar that she wouldn’t have repeatedly pressed me to find out where I am really from. She possibly wouldn’t have even asked once. Because I am white.

Snoozer11 · 30/11/2022 19:40

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 30/11/2022 19:32

I'm saying that if you express yourself in a certain way, you invite conversation based on that expression.

@Snoozer11, Fulani wasn't asked about what she was wearing; she was asked where she was from. She answered that question.

FFS, do we all 'invite conversation' with our clothing? From total strangers? Ngozi Fulani was at the palace to celebrate the vital work she is doing on domestic abuse and that is the only acceptable topic of conversation in those circumstances.

If I turned up to a party in a Bugs Bunny costume, I would expect people to comment. Even total strangers.

I don't understand why Fulani would even attend a function hosted by a woman she had previously accused of domestic violence. Unless she was there to cause trouble.

An explanation of Sistah Space, in their own words:

"Supporting African & Caribbean heritage women"

The whole fucking charity she represents is based on heritage. Surely she must ask others about their heritage too?

StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 19:41

She's resigned and he's dead, so clearly we're not stuck with them.

Unless you're accusing all of them of being racists based on a comment an elderly friend of his late mother made?

We were stuck with Philip til he died. We are stuck with Andrew until he dies. Both securely supported in their taxpayer funded cages.

This woman was a chosen representative of the queen and now Camilla. That tells us something about the judgement of the household. For crying out loud, if that is what she thinks fit to say in public, heaven knows what is said behind closed palace doors.

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hattie43 · 30/11/2022 19:42

Dailymash · 30/11/2022 19:40

If the hapless octogenarian engaged me in conversation at the same event you can bet your bottom dollar that she wouldn’t have repeatedly pressed me to find out where I am really from. She possibly wouldn’t have even asked once. Because I am white.

She might if you had an accent .
Where are you from
Harrow
No where originally
Oh Glasglow

Snoozer11 · 30/11/2022 19:43

Dailymash · 30/11/2022 19:40

If the hapless octogenarian engaged me in conversation at the same event you can bet your bottom dollar that she wouldn’t have repeatedly pressed me to find out where I am really from. She possibly wouldn’t have even asked once. Because I am white.

Yes but if you had a heavy Eastern European accent you'd probably be asked.

And it's not unreasonable to be asked "have you come far".

I have a regional accent and even I'm asked "whereabouts" I'm from.

TheKeatingFive · 30/11/2022 19:44

This woman was a chosen representative of the queen and now Camilla. That tells us something about the judgement of the household.

Exactly this

NurseButtercup · 30/11/2022 19:44

Snoozer11 · 30/11/2022 19:23

That's an outrageous reach.

I'm saying that if you express yourself in a certain way, you invite conversation based on that expression.

You're really digging deep to stick to this ridiculous notion of "what did Ngozi expect..." And how Ngozi was expected to compensate for this woman's racism...you sound ridiculous.

I get asked this very same question every single week. I'm sick of it. I wear a nurses uniform, I have a very british name, a very british regional accent, I'm british I was born here. There is no reason for anybody to ask me this question, but they do and never accept my response. The follow up question is usually one of the following: where am I originally from or, when did you get here or when are you going home? It's all beginning to grate.

I'm glad this has been reported & discussed. I look forward to the day when nobody asks me this question in this manner ever again.

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 19:44

Her own charity identifies their entire client group by their heritage not their nationality, yet she is traumatised when someone asks about her own heritage? Something doesn’t add up.

WhatarethePolicedoingaboutApricotCity · 30/11/2022 19:45

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Agree 100%.

CMZ2018 · 30/11/2022 19:45

Someone trying to make a name for themselves. Storm in a tea cup

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 30/11/2022 19:45

If I turned up to a party in a Bugs Bunny costume, I would expect people to comment. Even total strangers.

Fantastic. You're now putting Ngozi Fulani's rather elegant and beautiful outfit on a par with fancy dress.

Keep digging, @Snoozer11 .

StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 19:46

If I turned up to a party in a Bugs Bunny costume, I would expect people to comment. Even total strangers

Yes - if you were not at a fancy dress party or Disney.

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Willmafrockfit · 30/11/2022 19:46

she is not in the royal family
she is or was one of the queens lady in waiting.
in the household.

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