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Racism in the Royal Family

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StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 19:06

Susan Hussey has resigned. Philip was coming out with similar comments in public all his life, yet there was no move to get rid of him. AIBU to think this is more royal hypocrisy?

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Snoozer11 · 30/11/2022 20:26

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I didn't say uppity. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

BHMiseverymonth · 30/11/2022 20:28

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CMZ2018 · 30/11/2022 19:45

Someone trying to make a name for themselves. Storm in a tea cup

@CMZ2018 What is? Did you miss the part where her hair was moved out of the way to check her name badge? Maybe you should read up about micro-aggressions? It might help you understand just a tad about why it is a big deal. What about the part when Ngozi Fulani was asked repeatedly about where she was from? But I suppose that’s just a storm in a tea cup. Oh and what about the lack of questions about Ms Fulani’s charity work instead of focusing solely on her heritage just as a form of othering? I suppose all of it is excitement or outrage over a trivial matter as that is exactly what you are implying.

itsnotmeitisactuallyyou · 30/11/2022 20:28

pechecreme · 30/11/2022 19:32

All the closet racists coming out today, with the defence 'she did nothing wrong'.

Exactly,i also would really like to know what makes people of no colour feel so superior to people of colour,please do tell

SaySomethingMan · 30/11/2022 20:28

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Are you African?
Have you ever been in a position where you’re trying to represent something you’ve created in the UK and then been asked where you are from, when you’ve told them your Heritage as British?

I imagine on a daily basis, she’s very proud of her African roots. Her hair/outfit shows this.
She cannot deny her African roots. The darkness of her skin shows that immediately.

What has her ancestry have to do with representing and promoting her charity for victims of domestic abuse?

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 30/11/2022 20:28

whilst still confirming where she now lives

Where do you think she has previously lived? She was born in Britain.

NeelyOHara1 · 30/11/2022 20:29

If you are x,y,z you can talk freely about x,y,z in a warts and all way. If you're not, you can, but it probably won't end well. How this helps makes society better, as opposed to consigning people into opposing camps, eludes me.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 30/11/2022 20:29

Susan Hussey isn’t a member of the RF. HTH.

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 30/11/2022 20:29

But she is 83yo, so I don't think she can be condemned in the same way as a 43yo for making these comments.

Would you apply the age bar to an 83-year-old man harassing a woman or a child? Or is it only racism that's acceptable over a certain age?

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 20:29

Why was Snoozer11 's comment deleted? She was calmly and with respect trying to interpret the situation

MsBucket · 30/11/2022 20:31

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 19:13

She resigned because of the Twitter mob, not because she had actually done anything wrong.

@Hills2022 What part of Lady Hussey’s behaviour did you think was ok? I’m genuinely curious. At least some posters on another trending thread were able to perform some kind of mental gymnastics and feel sorry her and her trauma rather than that of Ngozi Fulani’s.

Motorcycleemptyness · 30/11/2022 20:31

Snoozer11 · 30/11/2022 20:21

I'm not a racist and I have no reason to be ashamed.

The racism oozes out of every single word you type, desperate to defend an incredibly privileged woman’s right to say racist shit and to paint her victim as someone who deserved it. But sure, carry on making a clown of yourself on mumsnet. An evening well spent.

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 30/11/2022 20:31

oh creepy… didn’t see about someone moving her hair … I’d wretch a bit if someone did that to me… grim

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 20:31

It's outrageous that this lady (Susan Hussey) with years of service was forced to resign due to the Twitter mob. This has to stop now

People will just avoid engaging at all costs for fear of being cancelled and losing their jobs.

MsBucket · 30/11/2022 20:33

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I’m curious which poster said that and why. Confused what Ngozi Fulani’s clothes have got to do with it.

StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 20:33

There will be more 'Husseys' in the Royal Household - members just like her. This is not a rogue operator - this is a woman who has undoubtedly used this line of questioning over and over again - and has been trained by advisors to do so. Philip was a past master at it!

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thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 20:31

It's outrageous that this lady (Susan Hussey) with years of service was forced to resign due to the Twitter mob. This has to stop now

People will just avoid engaging at all costs for fear of being cancelled and losing their jobs.

Right… and what standard of service? If anything like this recent event then she should absolutely be fired.

It is not outrageous that people are offended by what she said. It is outrageous to sit and say she must be right, but give no reason for that. It’s just racism, why can’t people see that? Do you know Hussey personally to attest to her character?

BHMiseverymonth · 30/11/2022 20:34

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Snoozer11 · 30/11/2022 20:34

SaySomethingMan · 30/11/2022 20:23

I fail to see how anyone can read this conversation,´, believes it happened this way, and still tried to justify her comments id not racist.

I read the story and thought at first, ´it’s not great but it happens’. This exchange is something else.

But this exchange isn't the transcript of a recording. It's an account which has been put on Twitter and sensationalised.

She has already shown public bias against the RF when she accused them of being guilty of domestic violence.

If she had tweeted that last night at the Palace, she felt uncomfortable because someone persistently asked where she was from in an exchange she believed was rooted in racism, then fair enough.

But to make up a script, add initials but not explicitly name someone is an exercise in passive aggressive behaviour. It makes it seem like the enjoyment she gets from calling people out is greater than the discomfort she felt during the exchange.

Sodonewiththisshit · 30/11/2022 20:34

She should have been dismissed.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/11/2022 20:34

Hills2022 · 30/11/2022 19:39

Susan Hussey was tactless and clumsy no question, but it is clear from the alleged verbatim exchange that the other party was being very disingenuous and the fact that she then chose to put the whole alleged exchange on Twitter makes it look very much like she had an agenda. A quick look at previous tweets makes it clear that this person has a very hostile view of the RF which does beg the question why she accepted the invitation in the first place given her hostility to the institution.

An eyewitness described the conversation as Offensive, racist and unwelcoming. The Palace investigated and stated that Unacceptable and deeply regrettable comments were made.

Lady SH was racist. NF was patient, polite and dignified in the face of this racism. Stop victim blaming and being an apologist for this racist, rude woman.

Annalouisa · 30/11/2022 20:34

Okay, I think this was a horrible exchange that made Fulani feel uncomfortable and excluded. I totally get that. BUT, sadly, that lady in waiting's line of questioning is also what passes as 'polite chit chat' in this country. In fact, I remember a Mumsnet thread on the topic of 'is asking where someone is from, really from, okay?', and the broad agreement was that this just fine to ask, and that persistent questioning was just politeness, curiosity, the love of foreign accents or whatever. And for anyone saying, oh, it's okay to ask once, but not okay to badger - trust me, if you have any bit of 'otherness' about you, absolutely no one accepts the first answer. They keep digging until you give up that bit they want to hear - foreign ancestor, foreign schooling etc. So would be good if everyone could stop asking, please. Why do you need to know?

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 30/11/2022 20:35

What the racist apologists really hate about this is that they know the battle has been lost. It is no longer acceptable to say the kind of things Hussey said and, no matter how desperate they are to turn back the clock to a time when there would have been no consequences, that ain't going to happen.

Eleganz · 30/11/2022 20:35

Did anyone hear Petronella Wyatt's ludicrous apologetics on Radio 4 about this? The only thing she managed to actually say that wasn't completely cliché (she's old, she has black friends) was that the society she and Susan Hussey mix in is so racist and xenophobic that anyone who looks remotely foreign gets quizzed about where they are really from.

Hussey asked her what her nationality was and when given the truthful answer refused to accept it and asked her where 'her people' were really from. This is so obviously racist that it has been used as an example in unconscious bias training for years.

Quveas · 30/11/2022 20:35

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 20:31

It's outrageous that this lady (Susan Hussey) with years of service was forced to resign due to the Twitter mob. This has to stop now

People will just avoid engaging at all costs for fear of being cancelled and losing their jobs.

Dear God, I despair... how utterly awful that racists should have to take responsibility for their actions.