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Racism in the Royal Family

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StoneofDestiny · 30/11/2022 19:06

Susan Hussey has resigned. Philip was coming out with similar comments in public all his life, yet there was no move to get rid of him. AIBU to think this is more royal hypocrisy?

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pinheadlarry · 30/11/2022 23:11

WeDontTalkAboutBrunoNoNoNo · 30/11/2022 22:51

Sorry but you are plain wrong. I'm black British. I was born here. If people ask where I'm from, I tell them London. That should be the end of it. Black people are not obligated to answer lines of questioning about heritage at whim.

Youre only saying that because you think im white!
Everyone know what "where are you from" means

To another black person you are going to say im Ghanaian or jamaican or whatever your parents are
and then you might add, but i was born here

Theres very few black people, that i know of, who tell people that they are british,
even if they are born here
Because we are children of immigrants

My mum is jamaican,
when people ask me where im from i know its
because they are curious of what ethnicity i am
So i tell them what im mixed with

You might say london if someone asks you where you live ..
Or if youre in a foreign country you might say youre british
But in london we all know what where are you from means

ClaudineClare · 30/11/2022 23:11

Jellykat · 30/11/2022 23:05

Lady Hussey is from a blinkered generation who's roots lie in the 'no Irish, no coloureds, no unmarried mothers' bigotry..
My step grandfather was the same (oh the rows)
Thank god time has moved on!!
However, it doesnt necessarily mean the entire Royal family are rascists, she's just a very very stupid old woman, who has hopefully learnt a massive lesson at the tender age of 83!

It is nothing to do with her age. She is a bigot. There are plenty of people her age who would not behave in such a racist way.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 23:12

A quick look at previous tweets makes it clear that this person has a very hostile view of the RF which does beg the question why she accepted the invitation in the first place given her hostility to the institution

I wonder if they background check for these kinds of antagonistic views before inviting someone into BP

Lunar270 · 30/11/2022 23:14

m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 22:52

No. I don’t. I’m just not understanding how the conversation got to this level of racism without it being stopped.

It's possibly because of the difficulty and sometimes reluctance to offend (despite being offended). There's also surprise, astonishment and the rabbit in headlights' effect. I don't know exactly why she didn't remove herself from the situation but I've often been unable to remove myself because I've frozen. Hard to explain really.

You mentioned you're white so don't expect you to understand but most of the time, like here on MN, racists smile while they're being racist, or hide it by playing stupid or being naive.

I've been cornered at work and sometimes it's difficult to get away for a multitude of reasons. The question you're asking is like asking women how come they don't escape sexist crap at work when they can just run away.

It's almost verging on victim blaming.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/11/2022 23:15

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 23:12

A quick look at previous tweets makes it clear that this person has a very hostile view of the RF which does beg the question why she accepted the invitation in the first place given her hostility to the institution

I wonder if they background check for these kinds of antagonistic views before inviting someone into BP

Especially when they know they will be meeting strong, ethnically diverse women. Seriously, I can't believe BP let Lady SH anywhere near an event like this. What were they thinking?🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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powershowerforanhour · 30/11/2022 23:17

Reading about the whole exchange- from lifting the hair of a complete stranger to have a juke at her name badge instead of just asking, to the patronising "I knew we'd get there in the end" is toe curlingly cringey. OK the lady may have been brought up a bit racist but how did the last forty or fifty odd years pass her by? In fact forcing any issue like that whilst making small talk at an event is so rude, I don't think Debrett's would ever have approved. Was she brought up or dragged up?

It's a pity Camilla's event for such a good cause was overshadowed by a racist vulgarian.

DutchessOfMuck · 30/11/2022 23:17

Thank you @TooBigForMyBoots

I just seen the transcript earlier tonight on Twitter from the womans account. Didn't realise further events had happened tonight.

BHMiseverymonth · 30/11/2022 23:17

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m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 23:21

Lunar270 · 30/11/2022 23:14

It's possibly because of the difficulty and sometimes reluctance to offend (despite being offended). There's also surprise, astonishment and the rabbit in headlights' effect. I don't know exactly why she didn't remove herself from the situation but I've often been unable to remove myself because I've frozen. Hard to explain really.

You mentioned you're white so don't expect you to understand but most of the time, like here on MN, racists smile while they're being racist, or hide it by playing stupid or being naive.

I've been cornered at work and sometimes it's difficult to get away for a multitude of reasons. The question you're asking is like asking women how come they don't escape sexist crap at work when they can just run away.

It's almost verging on victim blaming.

Yes. I understand what you’re saying. I would say that the younger lady appeared not to be lost for words. It was a conversation that could/ should have been stopped before it got to that point. They both should have left the conversation after the first exchange. But they didn’t.

Whydoicare88 · 30/11/2022 23:22

m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 23:21

Yes. I understand what you’re saying. I would say that the younger lady appeared not to be lost for words. It was a conversation that could/ should have been stopped before it got to that point. They both should have left the conversation after the first exchange. But they didn’t.

One party interrogated the other, spare us the "both sides" nonsense.

m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 23:26

Whydoicare88 · 30/11/2022 23:22

One party interrogated the other, spare us the "both sides" nonsense.

Yes. I agree. It should not have got to the point it did. Either could have removed themselves. I don’t live in the U.K. people often make assumptions or ask questions when I meet them. If I found them rude then I’m not sure how I’d react. I’d like to think I’d excuse myself but I really don’t know.

Lunar270 · 30/11/2022 23:26

m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 23:21

Yes. I understand what you’re saying. I would say that the younger lady appeared not to be lost for words. It was a conversation that could/ should have been stopped before it got to that point. They both should have left the conversation after the first exchange. But they didn’t.

You don't seem to have understood anything I've written at all.

But yes, SH could've stopped after she received her first response instead of escalating it.

BHMiseverymonth · 30/11/2022 23:27

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Whydoicare88 · 30/11/2022 23:28

m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 23:26

Yes. I agree. It should not have got to the point it did. Either could have removed themselves. I don’t live in the U.K. people often make assumptions or ask questions when I meet them. If I found them rude then I’m not sure how I’d react. I’d like to think I’d excuse myself but I really don’t know.

I don't think we are agreeing at all actually.

Susan Hussey was the one in the wrong, 100%.

m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 23:28

Lunar270 · 30/11/2022 23:26

You don't seem to have understood anything I've written at all.

But yes, SH could've stopped after she received her first response instead of escalating it.

Yes

WeDontTalkAboutBrunoNoNoNo · 30/11/2022 23:30

@pinheadlarry My point still stands. If someone asks where I'm from and I say London, then that is the answer they should accept. It isn't stand offish for me to say. I'm in London at the moment but I live overseas with a high migrant population. I am asked where I'm from every single day and every day I say London. Nobody probes me further because the answer I give is respected. That's is what should have happened here.

DeeCeeCherry · 30/11/2022 23:36

Good. The more of these stupid racists who get lost, the better. She asked a question, was given an answer, and asked again. & again. Rude, and offensive. Don't use age as an excuse - after all folks regularly moan about ageism on MN so miss me with the hypocrisy. I hope Ngozi feels ok, never mind Madam Hussey...

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 30/11/2022 23:38

I am white British. I have just tried to imagine a conversation where someone asked me where I was from, I told them and they then said, No but where are you REALLY from?

i can’t imagine it because it would simply never happen to me. There is no context in which that could happen to me in the country of my birth. Because I’m white.

The question is blatantly implying that people of colour can’t be from here. It’s a denial of multiculturalism. It’s racist. To persist as Hussey did is deeply offensive.

HermioneKipper · 30/11/2022 23:38

m00rfarm · 30/11/2022 22:54

I’m not. That was not my intention. I’m querying what has been reported in the news. It sounded a strange exchange. As though they were playing the game where you answer the question before the one being asked.

It’s very clear what this woman was actually asking.

Shes saying “no you’re not British, where are you actually from because it ain’t here.”

I should know because I’ve a been asked the same question a million times. And I know what it means.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 30/11/2022 23:42

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HRTQueen · 30/11/2022 23:44

Personal advancement

for who exactly?

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Lunar270 · 30/11/2022 23:47

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I'm so sorry. It's horrible to be on the receiving end and to not know what to do. The guilt is ridiculous and something we should never feel, just because we're ill equipped for every conceivable abusive scenario.

It's a bit of a slap in the face to hear a white person say, "well you could've removed yourself from the situation", having never experienced such a thing. It's almost like we've all had racism 101 training and know how to react when some racist starts making you feel less than human.

Good for Ngozi Fulani.

But to me, this sorry story says it all. The reception was about violence against women and girls. What a way to show how unimportant this is by asking her where she was from, like there wasn't slightly more critical things to discuss 🤦