Racism in the Royal Family

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Susan Hussey has resigned. Philip was coming out with similar comments in public all his life, yet there was no move to get rid of him. AIBU to think this is more royal hypocrisy?

Jesus wept some of the answers in here

Though I’m not surprised it’s still hard for some to accept that being racist isn’t just about using insulting words

they certainly understand they just do not agree

As I said earlier in the thread, we don't know where the conversation went after that as it hasn't been reported. Fulani wasn't answering the questions she was IMO being disingenuous. I have not said I think she didn't say it, I don't agree that it was racist, but I do think it was clumsy and ill advised.

It happens within the sector, there's a lot of racism within the sector check out www.endingracisminvawg.org

to me it's just another networking event just at a much posher place.

SaySomethingMan · Today 21:37
XingMing · Today 21:30
I'm white so unlikely to be asked this question, but I would like to ask, without prejudice, how any white person politely asks a POC where their family originated without the question being regarded as racist? I would genuinely like to know. For the record, I live in the Celtic fringe.
Why do you want that information from a stranger? Why do you feel a stranger owes you that information?

I don't feel owed anything. Except that if as and when I meet a person, perhaps out walking my dog on moorland, which is how I meet most acquaintances, I do tend to ask how they found their way to this corner of the world. It's remote, there's not much employment, and it's poor, so what brought you here seems a good and neutral starting point for getting to know a person. It''s open and neutral, and if your answer is anything other than open and communicative, then I am a bit reserved.

Exactly.

I felt so wretched for Ngozi Fulani, it wrecked the day for her.

What do you mean she wasn't answering the questions? Yes she was.

Yes hopefully the King invites her to something else as a massive apology

I would like to ask, without prejudice, how any white person politely asks a POC where their family originated without the question being regarded as racist? I would genuinely like to know.

It’s probably not a great question to someone you don’t know that well. You generally wouldn’t ask a white person where their family came from the first time you met them - so why wouldn’t you just accept an answer like “Hackney”? You tend to get more information about people naturally, as you get to know them better. Whatever their heritage or skin colour.

I have been asked in a rural place (not England) who my people are, I never ever take offence to it, they are curious and interested. Wouldn't even cross my mind there was any discrimination

Oh come on, that's not what happened.

I'm a Scot. If I was asked where I'm from I'd say Scotland. If I was asked where I was really from, I'd say Glasgow. If I was pushed further, 'where are you really from, who are your people', I'd certainly feel bewildered, interrogated and certainly increasingly angry - as the implication would be I'm not Scottish or Glaswegian!
If said interrogator touched my hair..................

As a mixed race person I can’t count the times people have asked me where I’m REALLY from. I’m English piss off

Then ask something like "have you always lived on the moors - I've only been here xyz years myself"

But as others have said here, with their personal experience, there’s a big difference between someone taking genuine interest in your heritage and someone basically asking “why are you black and why are you here”. The retelling of the conversation is clear as to which this is. Hussey has not rebutted the account. Buck Palace has condemned her words. Hussey wasn’t clumsy and ill advised, her questions are repeated, pointed and she reiterates her real point (believing - despite correction - that Fulani isn’t British). What she said was racist.

By comparison, Fulani has said per the Beeb that she “was in shock after it happened and anybody who knows me knows I don't take this kind of nonsense,"
"But I had to consider so many things. As a black person, I found myself in this place where I wanted to say something but what happened would automatically be seen as my fault, it would bring [my charity] Sistah Space down. It would be 'oh, she has a chip on their shoulder'." Incredibly sad and a shit night for what should have been a focus on DV and the work charities like Sistah Space do.

Her answers weren't good enough for Susan Hussey, or the racists in this thread.

The faux innocence is quite incredible too.

Several posters here should be ashamed, but I doubt they're capable of feeling such a thing.

my mum raised me not to be racist, if she was still alive she would be in her 90's, age is no excuse. I have read the transcript of the conversation and found it appalling, no way would she have persisted with this line of questioning if Ngozi had been white. None of us who are white really have a clue about the constant micro aggressions that non white people face as they go about their lives. I was in a long-term relationship with a man of Jamaican heritage and believe you me we had some vile remarks addressed to us as a mixed race couple. When he talked to me about some of his lived experience and all the stuff you just have to let go of simply to get on with your life I used to wonder how anyone copes. Just one tiny example, when we travelled abroad we would always be pulled over by customs and our bags would be searched, now why would that be, it never happended when I flew alone or with a white companion. We live in a racist society, some of it is vile and blatant, a lot of it is equally vile but covert and subtle.

I would like to ask, without prejudice, how any white person politely asks a POC where their family originated without the question being regarded as racist? I would genuinely like to know

Why would you ask that of someone you've just met, at a function they have been invited to and you are never likely to meet again? Surely questioning about people's background isn't first meeting stuff!
Besides - it wasn't a polite one off question, it was a harassing interrogation by a stranger.

What's Camilla had to say on the subject considering it was her event ??

I don't need you to agree with me. You asked me what I thought, you have a different view. The difference is you seem to think your opinion is fact, whereas I am well aware that my opinion is just that, an opinion.

I disagree. Most people wouldn't even have known about the event. And people are now donating to Sistah Space.

I'm glad Ngozi Fulani spoke out. As the Palace said Racism has no place in our society.

Pretty much.. in the nicest way, I’m going off multiple witness accounts from people I’d consider very honourable members of society, the lack of rebuttal from Hussey, the statement from the palace who I assume also spoke with witnesses and Hussey after the event. I await any huge reveal that this is all incorrect.

In the nicest way, I am not contesting the content so I am not sure why you are wanging on about witness accounts.

YABVU
Utterly ridiculous.
I would ask where her family came from.
People ask me where I come from - do I think they are racist, of course I bloody don't.
Any f..king excuse to pull the race card yet again.

I was with a friend of Nigerian heritage when she was introduced to another lady, also of Nigerian heritage. Both British born and raised.

Within less than two mins my friend was grilling the other lady over where she was from, the first answer being OwlTown near London, the next being very much along the same lines as reported.

Both were entirely comfortable with this as a perfectly normal conversation.

I struggle to see how it’s ok for POC to question each other, but not white people.

This lady was there to cause trouble imho. Her past SM posts make it obvious, surprised they don’t have more people getting these things ahead of time. Also imho the palace reaction was in response to the Twitterati, not the actual event. And I also think they’ve made it worse because it’s blown up into something so huge (which was EXACTLY) what was intended.

I'm 42 mixed ethnicity, i could pass as any number of nationalities, I have a very unmistakeable northern accent, I have been asked numerous times, too many to remember through my whole entire life as to where I am from? I explain I'm born here but my heritage is such and such. I found people were genuinely curious, fascinated and interested. It didn't feel offensive and lead to lots of interesting conversations. I also found if people have some kind of link, experience or knowledge to your heritage people become further enthusiastic and want to share.

I've not read the ins and outs of this specific scenario I'm just stating my own experience and interpretation of the "where are you originally from" question.

In the nicest possible way, my first question to a new acquaintance would not be "what are you doing here?". It would be "what brings you here in this filthy weather?" unless you had a dog in tow. And then the conversation would be about dogs. Before anything else!