Things in RECENT times you can’t quite believe we’re seen as ‘ok’

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The Jeremy Kyle Show. Middle class man shouts at poor people who aren’t terribly bright, for not being perfect humans. So pleased it ended.

On X Factor and BGT when they used to show ‘funny’ auditions of people who believed they had talent but really didn’t so got laughed at. They then brought them back for the final to do a humiliating routine live so they could be laughed at more.

Supernanny. Childless woman who can barely speak properly pulls lemon faces, tells parents they’re shit and Instills sudden and sharp changes in the child’s home where actual camera are focussing on them when they’re distraught and upset

Sun sea and suspicious parents. Mum and dad spying on their adult children from a rooftop in Greece whilst said child gets off with a stranger. CREEPY!

Queen?

Never sexualised huh?

Ive stolen this from elsewhere but it puts oerfectly why drag queens are offensive:

From a feminist perspective, the main feature of drag is that it equates “woman” with over-sexualized clothing (outfits no woman would wear to a library), unrealistic fake breasts and body shapes, heavy makeup, frivolous behavior, and a demure voice. This cements sex stereotypes that are offensive and harmful to women and girls. And because the message is largely visual, it takes hold in even preverbal children

BTW the man in that picture assaulted an 8yo boy in 2006 and still managed to creep his way into reading to children in a library

Forgot the pic

Do you know what would be better?

Actual women doing story time in libraries.

Incredible women who’ve achieved great things are everywhere. Why aren’t they being asked to do story time?

Only fools and horses.

Drag queens are characters, they emphasise certain characteristics, no one would think that’s all a woman is. Plus, I haven’t seen many with a demure voice haha.
As for the assault, of course there are going to be bad people but that does not mean in any way that they are ALL bad, that is so harmful and insulting. There are many, many priests who have committed crimes against children, doesn’t mean they’re all predators.

Drag queens are characters, they emphasise certain characteristics, no one would think that’s all a woman is

The same could be said for black and white minstrels. Doesn’t stop it being completely offensive appropriation. We either have the rule or we don’t - which is it?

Riding a bike without a helmet.

Not wearing your car seat belt.

Yeah that always strikes me as strange I was born in 1973 I rode my bike and roller skated all over the estate I grew up.in in the early 80,s without even a thought for a helmet ,I can't imagine letting my own kids do it

That's just a personal choice and maybe to do with money ,a few of my cousins ( I have a big Irish family) had child free weddings ,I have a disabled child so no childcare I could either not attend or a few I attended without my dh,as he stayed at home with the kids ,it's ttheir day at the end of the day and tbh children at weddings these days can cause a lot of extra expense ,back in the day when every one attended it wasent such a big deal.

People not wearing masks (especially in healthcare settings) ( if not exempt) during a global pandemic.

Drag queens
Giving children sex change medication or puberty blockers
Calling children by names other than the name they are registered with at school and not talking their parents.

Fake nails, Botox, veneers, getting your skin peeled.

A drag queen is a facet of the man’s personality, and a way of expressing himself and his gender identity. Minstrels and blackface was purely used for racism. They aren’t the same thing.
Also, white men dressing up in blackface was an act of a privileged class impersonating an oppressed class. Openly queer people dressing in drag do not hold a position of privilege and power in society, they’re a marginalised group, as you can see by the attacks they face (most recently the shooting in the USA).

I went in as a child I was even allowed to press a button or two 🙈

I remember graduating and going to a temp agency for a month or two, I was desperate for cash. Anyway I ended up being a secretary for a group of men who I constantly had to make coffee for. They were extremely sleazy. Anyway one morning they asked for their coffee a certain way (too offensive to repeat) and I told them to get lost. I lost my job and the temping agency dumped me as well. That was 20 years ago.

@Mia85
Thanks for that link. Made for interesting reading and clarification of facts.

Yeah, using the term 'fishy' to describe a drag queen who passes as a woman isn't misogynistic at all. Neither are drag names like 'Anna Bortion' or 'Miss Carriage'.

Just facets of a man's personality innit...

A drag queen is a facet of the man’s personality, and a way of expressing himself and his gender identity.

LOL!! No it isn’t. Helena Handbasket is just Keith doing a job. He isn’t going to the Co-op in his knickerbockers and stilettos. It’s his job as an ‘entertainer’ - nothing to do with gender expression.

Anyway what even is ‘gender expression’? To me, it always has been, and always will be, a perpetuation of gender stereotypes. Usually anti-women stereotypes. I’ve never heard of anyone ‘expressing their gender’ by either being caked in make up, pretty dresses and fake tits as a woman and ‘boyish’ looks like trouser and short hair for a man. It’s so unbelievable regressive. And I can’t believe people don’t see it.

Minstrels and blackface was purely used for racism. They aren’t the same thing.

Balck and white minstrels were used to mock an oppressed class through so called comedy. This is exactly the same as drags queens. Either appropriation of oppressed classes is OK or it isn’t but you can’t pick and choose.

Also, white men dressing up in blackface was an act of a privileged class impersonating an oppressed class. Openly queer people dressing in drag do not hold a position of privilege and power in society, they’re a marginalised group, as you can see by the attacks they face (most recently the shooting in the USA).

Drag queens are not ‘queer men’. They are men - mostly white men - doing a job and they very much hold a power over an oppressed class.

And while we are at it men who ARE queer are still men and still very much benefit from male privilege no matter who they’re shagging.

They’re obviously jokes, word play, ya know….humour???

Those poor, poor sexist oppressed men

Jokes based on misogynistic ideals - are names that hint at racism ok? It’s jUSt a JOke after all.

This makes me realise just how much women are hated and how they ARE seen as a joke - and anyone calling it out is labelled ‘disgusting’.

Depressing

Would you say the same about racist jokes?

Why is it OK when it's at the expense of women?

Because it’s ok to hate women apparently

You’re delusional.

that is exactly expressing your gender identity.

the vast majority of drag queens are queer men, facing backlash every day for living life how they choose to. Educate yourself on the oppression they face. They don’t just automatically hold power over you because they’re men.

How is Anna Bortion misogynistic?? It’s just word play, god not everything is sooooo deep.