To think Royal Mail workers should not be striking

[Hitthehighseastoday]

They’ve already been offered a 9% pay raise and declined. Royal Mail is already making a loss. It’s a national service for the public which is now being severely disrupted by strikes, it’s appalling.

The specific bit about female posties working in the streets while dark I agree with you on. This is a safety issue and shouldn’t be allowed to happen, Royal Mail have a duty of care to their staff and asking female staff to be out alone at night would not be meeting this duty of care. We can agree on that*

Well thats magnanimous of you! So back to your original post about they shouldn't strike because they've got a 9% pay rise!

The company is not obliged legally to do this I don’t think but maybe they could negotiate separately with the workers that can’t work Sundays and have a credible reason

thats what the union is for and why you pay your subs, you are much stronger to negotiate together as one than individuals

Ok this is bad. Even if he can’t offer an alternative deal for whatever reason, he should still be meeting with the union. But the union should call off strike action at the same time while speaking with the company.

But the union should call off strike action at the same time while speaking with the company.

why?

Exactly! He doesn't want compromise, he wa ts another gig economy!

I really want the Union to win, then other courier companies may need to up their game to attract employees (at the cost of less but not no profit), that demand decent working conditions.

A 9% pay rise should be accepted by the workers without delay as this is a reasonable offer, and the workers should agree to work with the company to modernise the company so it meets customer needs in this day and age and to ensure the company does not go bust.

Honestly I can't tell if this OP is taking the piss or not anymore!

You don’t care about the safety of male workers out in the dark in the middle of winter slipping on ice and getting bitten by dogs they can’t see then?

@Hitthehighseastoday they would call off strike action if it meant he was willing to negotiate. We wouldn't be striking now if that was the case! Nobody wants to strike, especially in a cost of living crisis at Xmas time. I want to give my kids a fantastic Xmas like everyone else. I feel for our customers but I feel we have no choice to strike until he meets us round the table. It's his way or the high way, he has no interest in the current employees. He wants us all out so he can bring in zero hour contracts. He wants a p&o type situation.

But they did a couple of weeks ago.... made fuck all difference! Big announcement was on the 15th November, that was that no progress was made.

@Hitthehighseastoday are you really this dim? THERE. IS. NO. 9%. PAY RISE!!! It is a real terms PAY CUT due to all the other nonsensical terms they want to enforce or take away. This has been pointed out to you several times here, by several posters and you're still acting this oblivious!

Yes I do care about male workers, the only reason I said female workers is because I am one and is is one of the things I'm personally worried about.
Yes there are other risks in the dark like you say about ice, dogs in garden and it's bloody hard to read mail In the dark and see door numbers...no doubt more mistakes would be made.

A 9% pay rise should be accepted by the workers without delay as this is a reasonable offer, and the workers should agree to work with the company to modernise the company so it meets customer needs in this day and age and to ensure the company does not go bust.*

Dear fucking god!!! The 9% comes with strings! You think that the RM will then play nicely, of course they won't!

How are so unenlightened yet started this thread??

So much bullying on this thread all day today, no need for all the nasty comments today

Sorry that was directed at OP not yourself.

How did you determine this to be a reasonable offer? It's less than inflation this year nevermind inflation in previous years and in the future.

You think an offer leaving them worse off is reasonable?

My head hurts with someone with so little knowledge but starts this thread!!

It's not bullying. And also, I think it's worse to start threads like this and crap all over workers who are trying to exercise their right to collective bargaining.

We should be in solidarity with them. One day it could be you.

Oh dear god! We're not allowed to point out that you're wrong.

Go to your union about bullying then!!

the ones who can do Sundays should. The company is not obliged legally to do this I don’t think but maybe they could negotiate separately with the workers that can’t work Sundays and have a credible reason
Wonder what a credible reason might look like and what happens if your circumstances change.
You must be a spineless walkover, if you would let your employer make significant changes to your employment t&c without so much of a peep.

Oh honestly get a grip! YOU started a thread to slag off a Royal Mail workers and now most of MN didn't agree with you you're pulling this bullying card. Grow up!

Dear Simon

As you know your proposed agreement has been unanimously rejected by the union’s Postal Executive.

The number of job losses associated with your plans for the future are completely unacceptable and represent the biggest assault on any group of UK workers in decades.

Only 18 months ago your employees and our members were praised as key workers that kept the country and the company going during the pandemic. It is outrageous that you now want to force through mass job losses, including compulsory redundancies, as part of what can only be described as an asset stripping plan.

It is also totally immoral and potentially illegal, for you and the Board to implement these proposals by choosing to simultaneously recruit unlimited numbers of self- employed drivers and new entrants on significantly inferior pay, terms and conditions, rather than retaining loyal and hardworking Royal Mail employees who still want a job.

There is no union or worker in the country that would accept this position.

Your proposals will also lead to the destruction of a 500-hundred-year old public service and the end of the Royal Mail brand as we know it.
Imposing up to 3 hour later starts means you are abandoning the a.m. delivery period, forever denying the opportunity to develop new products and services. This amounts to the company deliberately running down customer services and turning Royal Mail into just another gig economy employer.

On pay, you keep claiming that what you are offering is worth 9%, you know this is not true and our members have seen right through it.

It is now incumbent upon you to re-engage in intensive negotiations with the union to resolve this dispute – this is what your employees, our members and the public expect of the CEO. Nothing else can be more important. This means you personally investing the time required to reach agreement. No more picking and choosing when you attend the negotiations.

The CWU remains committed to a negotiated settlement and will make ourselves available for talks later today and on Monday and Tuesday.

During our ACAS talks, the union put forward an alternative plan for the future, which you and your team acknowledged had a lot of merit. It was also stated by your team that the RMG Board had a similar view. We now want to put our plan in front of the RMG Board and I will be writing separately to the Chair Keith Williams and all Board members on this.

In the meantime, let’s talk later today and make ourselves available as soon as possible for further direct negotiations or talks facilitated by ACAS.

Yours sincerely

Dave Ward
General Secretary

CC: Marina Glasgow, Keith Williams and Stuart McDonald

I’m not in a union.

Is this a letter that the union sent to him or just something which you wrote?

@Hitthehighseastoday the cwu union have wrote