To think Royal Mail workers should not be striking

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They’ve already been offered a 9% pay raise and declined. Royal Mail is already making a loss. It’s a national service for the public which is now being severely disrupted by strikes, it’s appalling.

They will not be making profits for much longer if the workers keep going on strike and refusing to modernise

so without the workers they won't make a profit, seems the workers are integral to the running of things

@Florenz they're not refusing to modernise, they're refusing to change their working conditions, the ones they accepted when they joined up!

Why don't you "educate" the rest of us about the USO (universal service obligation for the rest of you reading)? Why do you expect everyone to know about it? It's not a well known thing, I only know about it because it comes up in my work.

I disagree with the Royal Mail not delivering letters on Saturdays.

I do agree that postal workers are better placed to understand what makes them more efficient than managers in their ivory towers.

I hate people saying "educate yourself" because they are too lazy to type a paragraph to explain something. Or even provide a link: parcelguide.co.uk/the-universal-postal-service which took me all of 10 seconds.

What exactly is wrong with an employer expecting their employees to do what they are told? Would you employ someone who couldn't follow basic instructions?

Would you work for someone who decided they were going to change your hours, conditions, pay etc?

If you would, then you're a mug!

@lieselotte the OP came on here with, they've got 9% pay rise, a simple google would've told her that's not really the case!

USO, is also available on google.

If people want to join a meaningful discussion, it may be worth them researching via an internet search engine.

I hate people saying "educate yourself" because they are too lazy to type a paragraph to explain something. Or even provide a link: parcelguide.co.uk/the-universal-postal-service which took me all of 10 seconds.

I hate people like the OP and others not taking 10 seconds to research!

Don't join a discussion about something you've not spent 10 seconds to research.

What about people who are too lazy to spend 10 minutes reading into a subject before voicing an opinion?

Yeah come on Conkers - please do educate us! You seem to know so much I’m sure we could benefit from your mammoth knowledge…

why do you want to be spoon feed?

@LucilleLou I'm no longer reacting to your massively goady and nasty messages!

Why have you come on here and started stalking me?

I've a good idea......

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@Florenz.I used to work for a local authority that offered similar to the general public, to the best of my knowledge it's still going. I used to take my own car there when I worked for them. If there are not huge profits in it, I would imagine as a bare minimum it fully utilises salaried workers time during quiet periods ?

Because she's stalking me, it's been going on for a while.

It is being dealt with.

Except it isn't. RM customers don't give a shit about shareholders (which, let's not forget, also includes postal workers who were given free shares) or execs when they're posting an item in a pillar box. They want the service they pay for, and if that service isn't provided, they vote with their feet. It's not the 1970s anymore. Competition is fierce. It's no good having all the Ts and Cs you demand if your employers don't have a business left.

?????????? Just don’t like people being nasty, I’m only giving back what I get

I either would, or I wouldn't, but I wouldn't go on strike if I wouldn't, I'd just quit and find another job.

Or course working conditions change over time. You can't join a company straight from school and expect nothing to change 40 years later.

@Florenz you'd go and get another job in your sector that had worse conditions? You wouldn't get your colleagues together, if you all felt you were being unfairly treated and fight for your rights?

they vote with their feet.

yes, but many people don't like particular companies delivering their parcels as they have a bad reputation of the missing parcels, not delivered parcels the broken objects inside the parcels - due to the fierce competition and then cutting corners. Its not all abut price but getting the parcel their on time scale and by a company that is trusted to do that job

Modernise is a nice way to say "make sure the staff are underpaid but the big boss has an obscene bonus every year".

I wonder OP what line of work are you in? Care to say?

It's also funny because whatever line of work you're in, it's strikes from the past that ensured you have paid maternity leave, a minimum wage, cap on hours worked, weekends off in corporate.

So you don't mind the strike efforts from the past benefitting you, but you don't like the idea of strike action for others? okay.

So a question to you in return - do you think that employees should do everything that they are told, regardless of the effect of those orders on them or others?

You mentioned basic instructions, but that’s a straw man you introduced and not something anyone is arguing about here.

Lot’s of jobs out there currently, or so we’re led to believe - why should anyone at Royal Mail just bend over and accept terms and conditions imposed on them by overpaid execs and which only appear to benefit the shareholders in the short, medium and long term? Maybe it isn’t worth worrying about losing your a job if this is the kind of job they’re offering.

Unless workers do something, conditions will just keep deteriorating for everyone in the blind pursuit of growth and profits at the expense of everything else. It’s all around us and it’s only going to get worse.

What's your salary, op?

@Miajk I've asked OPs job, she won't answer.

I'm guessing daily Mail journalist! 😂

I either would, or I wouldn't, but I wouldn't go on strike if I wouldn't, I'd just quit and find another job.

so if you had a job and were sole carer for a child, your employer changed your hours to finish one hour later than your child minder every day - you'd just quit your job and get another one (not other child minder available)

I'd get another job that had conditions and pay that I was prepared to work for.

I don't think RM workers are unfairly treated, they earn good money for an unskilled job.

What "rights" are you talking about? The right of workers to dictate to their employer (and ultimately, the customer) when they work and how they do the job? No worker should have that right. It it not conducive to running a successful business.

I fully support them.

Royal Mail bosses are running the company into the ground. It will be nothing but a trumped up Hermes, if they get their way.

It's not just about pay, as is the case for the nurses, ambulance crews and rail workers.

I think teachers will be following suit.