To think Royal Mail workers should not be striking

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They’ve already been offered a 9% pay raise and declined. Royal Mail is already making a loss. It’s a national service for the public which is now being severely disrupted by strikes, it’s appalling.

@LucilleLou it would appear by this post, you've fuck all else to do other than stalk me! Look at all your posts!

On and on and on and on...

So go do what you've got better things to do, leave me alone!

You've not even contributed to the bloody thread!

Conkersareback d'ya work out of a northwestern delivery office by any chance? You seem quite familiar with your outdated ranting about Thatcher, (someone who's not been in power since 1990 and been dead since 2013, but still triggers you, it seems) and evil tories. Everyone knows the tories are finished, and they aren't even RMs problem.

And pack it in with the ad hominem attacks, it weakens your argument when you have to resort to calling people names.

@Florenz they may not be currently unfairly treated and they're fighting for that to remain!

Why do you think unskilled workers deserve no benefits, the country needs both unskilled and skilled labour?

The rights are the ones they were offered when they accepted the position, not a lot to ask?

For an organisation that is frequently claimed to be completely outdated, Royal Mail union reps were pretty bloody good at identifying that my brother was neurodiverse before the term even existed and ensuring that he was not bullied by either other staff or, more importantly, by management from the 1980s until his death.

Oh god some people really swallow up this capitalist agenda don't they.

Wages have been mostly stagnant, for decades, and have in no way kept up with house prices, or inflation.

You know what has increased? CEO bonuses. By a lot.

Worker productivity has also increased, but that benefitted only the shareholders and top execs, as they can now bank even more money.

Workers deserve more. Most workers get a pittance for what they do. Greedy bosses are the ones that really don't deserve more, especially since most of them are very mediocre white men that only got ahead because 40 years ago there was barely any competition, considering the attitude to minorities and women in the workplace.

Hope this helps, try adjusting your worldview a bit maybe.

@Conkersareback don't give them any more head space. You have compassion and integrity and stand up for what is right and don't like to see people mistreated.

No point in trying to reason with the people who don't value that.

Why is there no other child minder available?

Businesses can't be held hostage to their employees child care arrangements. Should they try and be family friendly wherever possible? Yes. But should employees expect their employer to give their personal arrangements higher priority than the needs of the business? No, of course not. Any business that is run that way won't be run that way for long.

Actually you'll find that if it wasn't for the constant pressure to make shareholders wealthy which isn't in anyone's interest apart from the shareholders, these businesses would be fine.

They could pay better, offer more flexibility, allow people to stop living for work. It's greed getting in the way.

I know, but my god they're some awful people on here! They're unskilled, they're therefore the dregs and deserve fuck all!

In what way is it not a trumped up Hermes now?

No one's said they're dregs, you're making that up.

In what way would they "be fine"? They'd be out of business.

Why would they be out of business? They could hire enough people to have cover, to offer flexibility.

They'd be less financially efficient, but that wouldn't run them out of business. The money currently going to shareholders isn't running them out of business is it?

The main reason I don't use RM any more for parcels is because I lost count of the amount of stuff that either went missing or landed in a plastic bag with a crappy apology printed on it because it had been torn apart in transit.

No I live and work in South London (well work in north London), I'm in a skilled profession

Im not "triggered" (not sure what that means in the context of my mentioning Thatcher?

Could you explain, why you think I'm "triggered" by my mentioning Thatcher? My understanding is that "triggered" would be someone mentioning something and me becoming upset?

Have I got that wrong?

Honestly don't worry. You'll find that most capitalist bootlickers have these opinions because they are deluded that one day they will be in the top 1% and then they can benefit from the wealth inequality in this country.

If we all had more integrity, we could have more annual leave, better policies, more flexibility, better salaries. But some people are happy to just give that up so big bosses can have luxury cars instead. Oh well.

Same here. I don't even know how we could cover it, as childminders and nurseries are rarer than hens' teeth, let alone spaces with any of them.

And the changes in sick pay are appalling.

@Conkersareback what people forget are these unskilled workers are regular members of society with families, mortgages, kids and make an honest crust.
Just because they don't sit behind a desk making big bucks or work in a hospital...just put up and shut up and let the big wigs of the company rob people out of their job and pay packet...because nobody gives a shit eh!? Cause it's not them or their loved ones it's happening to.

When you are let go after years and years of decent service, for an agency worker to come in, only to mug them off for crappier pay, terms and conditions. No, people won't accept that.

Honestly, some folk are so Tory about stuff and the tories are the problem. Rich and well to do happy as long as their pockets are lined.

You've hit the nail on the head!

Is business more important than people? More important than the planet - our children - our health and happiness - our mental health? So many of us say we are burned out, tired, wanting to downsize and simplify. Yet we keep allowing business principles, which are more money / less workers / less cost / more efficiency etc - to our own collective detriment. It sickens me. Thankfully I have made it work and will be dead in thirty years or so. But I do so hope that one day the money mongers will see the error of their stupid, selfish, short sighted, money mongering ways. You can't eat money. It won't bring loved ones back and it won't save the planet we live on.

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Or behind a wheelie bin

So many nasty comments and bullying on this thread now unfortunately

The only thing any worker really owns, wherever they work, is their labour. Why when every thing is rising in cost, is it unreasonable for a worker to raise the cost of their labour, in order to keep up with those prices?

depending on when and how much their last pay rise was, they are already selling their labour at least 1.1% below market value, and it's probably more.