To think this isn’t working class?

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Came across a video of someone talking about an influencer (very rich, lavish lifestyle, acts like old money, has a Birkin) and they said her content was aimed at working class.

I stated that it definitely isn’t.

Their response - As in those who work in higher incomes- working Class is a very broad spectrum now as I’m sure you’re aware 🥰

Am I wrong?

Especially as many of these upper-class, aristocratic families were embedded in the slave trade. The government of Barbados is suing the Drax family because they effectively started the slave trade on the island.

This this this!!

We are fed the message that old money is classier, etc but looking at the history of how those fortunes were obtained how can the footballer who likes a flashy label be the one who is judged?

Class is about modes of distinction and how the middle class use culture to distinguish themselves from the working class mass.

It's also about comforting & reassuring the other classes that even though that working class person is much richer than me I say supper so I'm still better.

I like new money. Way better than old money.

For me, having read this and contributed to this thread - I have been converted to Team Lydia.

She must be really good at making business connections behind the scenes, she has targeted a niche audience who like her content, she is making money and enjoying nice things.

Anyone who has time to critique her and criticise her should just boar off and go try to see if they could do it.

I see it now as part of the vile way people try to pull people down from getting above their station, it’s classist and misogynistic and if people don’t like her content - it’s quite easy to swipe and move on.

traditionally you have three classes

upper - great grandparents are lords and ladies and have a big house somewhere

middle - parents work in professions,

working - parents work in trades or hands on jobs

but then you have the probably more important distinction between u and non u so it’s more like four classes. And then there is probably an “underclass” as well of those who don’t work

upper - great grandparents are lords and ladies and have a big house somewhereprivate schools, eat supper in the evening, say “what not pardon” call mum mummy. Wear whatever they want but often some tweed jacket thats 59 years old and a old dog blanket unless it’s a state banquet then have a tiara in a cupboard

upper middle- parents work in professional jobs, private schools, eat supper in the evening, say “what not pardon” go to the loo, call mum mummy. Wear whatever they want and secure in class status.

lower middle - parents work in professional jobs, eat dinner in the evenings, say “pardon not what” call mum mum, traditionally kids at grammar schools now more likely to be the ones moving for a good state school and getting a tutor. Wear clothes from second hand shops, never anything”chavvy”. Worried about being thought to be working class all the time.

working - parents work in trades or hands on jobs, eat dinner at midday and tea in the evenings, say what, call mum mum. Kids at local schools (does not mean do not care about education). Wear new clothes - preferably branded, worry about being thought to be poor all the time

underclass - no one in family in work. Eat whenever can get food. Kids may or may not be in school. Wear what clothes can her. Worry about being poor.

And I don’t think that one class is “better” than another. Middle class don’t want to be working class clearly due to unfounded snobbishness but working class people don’t want to be middle class either - they wouldn’t mind being upper class but not middle class as that’s just “odd”

doi: working class mum, (lower) middle class dad

The Princess of Wales' family is a good example of social mobility through marriage, ambition and hard work. Her mother, Carole was born working class, but married Michael who was middle class. His family trust fund paid for the children to go to Marlborough where they were educated and networked with the mainly upper middle class. The family's hard work, luck and desire to move up the social ladder helped them become upper middle class. Now Kate has married into royalty she is upper class. No-one could say that her education, bearing, in laws and accent is anything else. Interestingly her Uncle Gary (Carole's brother) is also a self made millionaire but his accent and lifestyle keep him in the incredibly successful yet still working class category.

@Joyfuljolly if you think Wayne Rooney is anything other than working class then you have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s nothing to do with money!

Diana’s father was absolutely not middle class. He was the 8th Earl of Spencer, squarely a member of the aristocracy.

My post was clearly about the CURRENT Princess of Wales.

I don’t understand how some people have no understanding of rhe uk class system, or social mobility. Rooney is not working class. Working class is earning a wage, unskilled labour.

It's you that has no understanding! Suddenly getting lots of money does not magically change your social class. I thought everyone knew that, but apparently not!

Only thing I am sure of here, is that you are right in that she "acts like old money".

Anyone who is genuinely old money is not on the Internet as an "influencer"

I'm sure that some will be. If Tara Palmer-Tomkinson was still alive, I bet she would be on Instagram.

Actually fair point, she would!!!

There are plenty of old money influencers. Alexandra Tolstoy springs to mind

I just checked her instagram page and expected to be a snob and say something bitchy about her on this thread but then I saw all the lovely pictures of her learning to ride as an adult. I can't possibly say anything bad about someone who likes horses...and learning to ride as an adult takes guts. :)

They don’t stay at the Savoy, but somewhere quiet, clean,convenient, and with character. They pay bills as they come in, or work is completed to mutual satisfaction. There is nothing aristocratic about not meeting obligations.

Oh wouldn’t it be blissful to live in a country that wasnt so worked up about class!

Some of us do, and yes it is. I find all these threads about class bizarre.