Shamima Begum's mother

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I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

Like Sally Jones and Jack Letts? (Though admittedly Jack wasn't blonde)

I don't recall too many suggesting either of those were victims who needed saving - except Jack's parents of course, who I believe are still under investigation themselves

Can you consent to sex at 15?

I'm not sure what the law is

However comparing this women to the girls of Rochdale is nonsense.

Have you seen the interview she gave? She wasnt sorry at all! Although on second thoughts...for all those people who feel sorry for and are making excuse after excuse for her actions. Do you have a spare room?

That's why she needs to come back and face a trial. Do you honestly think trial by newspaper is right? Do you remember the Christopher Jefferies case? The newspapers had him guilty of murder but he was actually innocent. That's how good justice by newspaper is.

This!

I also have a daughter the same age and I absolutely agree with this.

I think the comparison with Virginia Guiffre is a good one. Why do we feel sorry for one groomed child, but not another who was younger who (in my view) has had a much more traumatic life?

@DysonSpheres

The legal age of consent in the U.K. is 16. So, in the case of the Rochedale victims, they were raped by these older men.

Sally Jones doesn’t really qualify as a child from a middle class family though, does she?!

True question. What are the actual crimes SB has certifiably committed. (Obviously joining a terrorist organisation but what else) she got married and bred.

As opposed to joining a paedophile sex ring and grooming and recruiting younger girls?

I fundamentally disagree with the passport revocation. I don't think we should be paying for her to come back to the UK, but she should be allowed in, and immediately arrested and stand trial. It may be she is always going to remain a threat to national security and will need to be imprisoned/ closely guardedly for life. I fundamentally disagree this should be Syria or Bangladesh's problem - the UK raised her, she is our problem to deal with.

I also find the decision that we were entitled to revoke her passport on the basis that she had theoretical eligibility to a Bangladeshi one really worrying. If she had been white British, with parents and grandparents born in the UK, they wouldn't have revoked. But she was the child of immigrants so they found a loop hole. Basically she wasn't British enough, despite being born and raised here.

But SB couldn't consent to sex at 15 either then.

I would most certainly like to see SB returned to the UK and tried in court.

@DysonSpheres

I'm not disputing whether she was raped.

I'm saying you can't compare the Rochedale abuse victims to someone who joined a terrorist organisation, and to this day shows no remorse and has said those people deserved to be tortured and killed.

The age of consent is 15 in Syria where she was “married” to a Dutch guy.

MI5 and MI6 confirms what Shamima did and said or do you think we should ask an ISIS rep what really happened?

Shamina Begum has undoubtedly been made a scapegoat. There are many young men who went out not just to marry but to fight for ISIS and have since returned to the UK rather than being stripped of citizenship.

Sally Jones doesn’t really qualify as a child from a middle class family though, does she?!

No, but she was white and blonde, and the obvious implication of the post I was responding to was that Shamima is somehow uniquely disliked just because she's "brown"

Very good point. Totally sexist.

No dispute there @FHmama I agree on that.

You don't accidentally get on a plane and travel halfway across the world on a whim.

You do hear of kids being groomed online to go and meet a paedo or whatever, thinking that it's love due to what the bloke says.

I've believed a lot of odd things in my life, so a child being radicalized by a bloke/people online is not unbelievable to me.

We don't treat under 18's crimes the same as we do those of adults.

The girls in Rotherham and VG didn't commit any terrorist crimes or join a terrorist group! That's how they differ!

Not terrorist groups, but some of them will have recruited other girls to some extent. It happens (not their fault.)

I agree with this. Whether we like it or not, she is British. Britain needs to deal with its own citizens, not palm them off onto developing nations.

They were both adults when they went to Syria so not underage groomed children.

to this day shows no remorse and has said those people deserved to be tortured and killed.

@DysonSpheres I thought she'd recanted of all of it?

I agree that we can't compare her to the Rotherham victims. But we can compare her to the many, many young men who went out to fight.

Ask yourself how many of them have been stripped of citizenship. The fact is that lots (most of those who weren't killed) are back living in the UK today. Why is she different to them?

The mother probably has responsibilities st home. In any case the vourts have decided she shouldnt be allowed back in the country. What is the point of her coming back here.