I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

Yes all of this.

When I complain about the patriarchy this is an example of it in action. The systems, institutions, organisations of power are structured to benefit abusive males over children and women. They appear to identify more with the criminal than with the victim. We can speculate as to why.

For impartiality we don't let victims choose the punishment. But we are too far the other way. The class of human that commits over 90% of all violent and sexual crimes is also over represented in positions of power and authority.

Where would this revenge killing stop? Could child murderers be killed? Could rapists? Someone who tortured a child or elderly person?

Sure, why not? You say it like people will be flocking to defend these types of creatures.

In reality, no we can't all go around killing each other but can you honestly say your bothered by this? I don't think anyone involved with him disputes that he committed these crimes against children

Also you have too much trust in the justice system. Your whole argument rests on the fact that justice will be served.

It wont be.

Great post @Dontaskdontget completely agree

“When I complain about the patriarchy this is an example of it in action. The systems, institutions, organisations of power are structured to benefit abusive males over children and women. They appear to identify more with the criminal than with the victim. We can speculate as to why.”

This

The systems, institutions, organisations of power are structured to benefit abusive males over children and women
laws are made by the powerful to entrench and further their power, men identify with men very strongly, they see women as subordinates, no-one wants to align themselves with a subordinate.
Men like to look up to each other, abusing and deriding the weak together is often a way that they strengthen the bonds they have. Look at them making business deals in strip clubs, seeing that the other guy also treats woman as objects is how they know they can trust each other.

The delusion regarding the justice system really speaks volumes about the lives some people live outside of MN.

Out of interest what does it say about someone who jumps straight to murder without even the courtesy of a trial?

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

Would they?

People always imagine what they'd do if they were the mother of the victim. What if you were the mother of the perp? Would you be glad your own child was dead?

lockheart. Don’t be silly, that’s illegal! I was referring to the ridiculously light sentences of sex offenders and the naive assumption that the man in question would have been locked up for 20 years. But then, you knew that didn’t you.

When reading things like this is understand the desire to take retribution but then I remember the case where people were attacking a man because they didn't understand the difference between a paedophile and a paediatrician. Then there was the man on Bristol blamed in the press for murder who was innocent. Justice and punishment needs to be left to the authorities.

It was heart breaking reading that interview and now we know he sexually abused her 2 sons

I don't know if I'd been crazed with grief and anger enough to do the same if anyone hurt my DCs like that, but can certainly understand the instinct to

In hindsight, now the public know, I think Sarah will be looked in differently as an ex offender. Because so many people will understand (even if not agree) why she did what she did

The problem is it remains an alleged sexual abuse as he never got to trial for this abuse as she killed him

And she lost all that time with her boys growing up. So sad to hear they sometimes regretted disclosing the abuse as it also lost them their mum in childhood.

I don't think CJS has got it right in terms of length of prison terms for convicted sex offenders like this man.

But most key is That judge should never have released him on bail to live in his flat again so near - and in line of sight of- his child Victims

That ill-considered judge will have escaped any actual criticism or legal fall out of responsibility in this but he had the option of bailing him to a bail hostel in an area far outside where he allegedly committed his crimes giving him a restraining order not to go anywhere near where his previous child victims were living

I don't condone killing the man but I can understand Sarah's feelings as a mum that neither her boys nor anyone else's sons can be hurt again by this (previously convicted prolific) (& alleged) child sex offender.

We can't take the law into our own hands. Even when the legal systems make such poor decisions

The judge was wrong imho not to restrict his movements and bail him to remain outside his previous patch away from his alleged child victims. That's crucial and I wish they did an enquiry into this and changed CJS bail practice

I guess it's hard to do as everyone is considered innocent until convicted in a court of law of the crime. In this case it was wrong and the judge should have taken his conviction history into account.

3 sons not 2 sons sorry mistype

As I've said before, look at the sentencing guidelines. It really is not difficult to find evidence.

Why do you need to know?

Because at that point he had not committed these offences. It's not difficult to work out.

did it not occur to you that microchipping rapists like a Labrador dog, following their movements in the community, paying for the software to do this, employing contractors etc, would probably cost more than going to prison?

The average cost per prison place per year is around £48K per year. If you really think that microchipping costs more than that, @Namechangedforthisonetoday, you have some very strange ideas about basic economics.

Child sex abusers have no place in a civilised society.

And they cannot be rehabilitated.

Why don't they get them to work and cover some of that.

Everyone else fkg has to.

The problem is it remains an alleged sexual abuse as he never got to trial for this abuse as she killed him

He had previous the length of the great wall of China a d had changed his name to escape them and get around detection.

Noone - literally noone - thinks it's alleged sexual.abuse.

He didn't show her sons or her much courtesy lol

Yep.

And there have been judges who've been ridiculously light on child sex abusers who were found to be viewers of images of child sex abuse themselves.

But even the non paedophile ones can almost never display real empathy for women and children.

Well that's true - we can all think what we want and have good grounds to suspect it was very very true.

But you cannot argue with the legal position - which is factual- that it remains an allegation as he no trial in order to be convicted as he was killed before then.

That was my point in amongst other points if you actually RTFT and my post fully

As I said @LemonDrop22
One of the unfortunate repercussions was that he then was never convicted for those specific crimes