I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

Civilised society is only a thin veneer over our more base nature.

But the fact that he died a violent & painful death at the hands of the mother of the (latest in a long line of) boys who he sexually abused ..... Completely trumps that.

Yep.

I've made a new account for this before someone "that's an interesting first post"s me.

I think the problem is with murdering someone who has harmed someone you love that it re-victimises the victim.

The victim should be in control of what happens once the truth is out and prosecution is underway. I was a victim of a peado who was a family member. We went through the courts and he was found not guilty.

I'd have needed my mum or dad locked up on top of all that drama like I needed a hole in the head. I was confused, betrayed, totally fucked up from the lack of justice. I already felt guilty for the shit my mum and dad had to deal with, I mean, my dad had already lost his whole family because they sided with the peado.

When you retaliate on behalf of a victim you lean in on the victim. You make them responsible for your anger and hurt and frustration, particularly when the victims are young. You need to support by leaning out, helping to process it.

Without knowing what I know, I'd probably want to fuck the perpetrator up big time. However having gone through it, nah, there's nothing to be gained. Try the legal route, and if that doesn't work move on, move away, get therapy and work on healing/raising awareness/campaigning for tougher sentencing. Revenge is only going to fuck your kids up more.

work on healing/raising awareness/campaigning for tougher sentencing.

How long has that not been working for?

@LemonDrop22

You seem to be gunning to keep saying "good for her" and ignoring any wider implications

You've made your point and really there's little sense in you saying more- yes we get it - you'd have killed him in a heart beat too

It's just that PPa are discussing the wider implications, unfortunate consequences, impact in general, and how that has played out. I don't doubt that very few people are losing any tears over the fact he died, but PPs are losing tears over impact on the children who'd already been abused then losing more, that a mum did this & impact in her and that this alleged child sexual abuser was never convicted of these specific crimes, And why he was ever returned in bail to within eyeline of his (alleged) child victims

So please up your game of joining in those discussions as the line you're taking is too dismissive and simplistic,

Oh and she, alongside another woman, highlighted how convicted CSAbusers are changing their names, applying for new passports and licences in their new names and applying for new DBs checks in the ur new names.... So people are not aware of their history or status.

Ian Huntley did that too.

In addition to the farce of police information exchange. Victims of crime,let alone a crime like that, should not have had to campaign to get a national database or some effective info sharing in a developed, relatively wealthy country.

Better than being stuck in prison away from your kids.

Your responsibility as a parent is to protect them. Killing one peado isn't going to do that, the bastards are like whack a mole, knock one down and 2-3 more will pop up, plus a child without a mother on scene is going to be more vulnerable to the next fucker that comes along.

That's a really thoughtful post
@Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie
Worth us all thinking about for a bit
So sad xxx

It really couldn't be clearer that your claim to knowledge of sentencing guidelines and their application is imaginary.

Stop your nastiness
Really uncalled for

Oh were they tossed out on the street Charles Dickens style.

🙄

*do

Even she acknowledges that she was in the wrong and that she wishes she had not put herself into a position where she could not be there for her children.

You haven't RTFT at all nor my posts nor understood them, so worrying
Huge concern that you can't understand simple points and are personally attacking other posters
Have reported your posts

No need for aggression to other posters in here , step away i

No but they were unwillingly separated from a primary caregiver for a huge chunk of their adolescence. Kids in care or temporary guardian situations are more vulnerable than those in secure family settings.

I think it's fair to say that being abused by one person then having your mum chucked in prison for murdering them will result in you racking up points on your Adverse Childhood Events score card.

The kids may have supported their mum. I don't dispute that they said this. However, as a much older survivor of child sexual abuse, with a fucktonne of therapy under my belt, I am telling you that my mum doing that to my abuser would have fucked me up just as much as the abuse and just as much as the failed court case already did.

You don't have to believe me, but I do think you are spouting some complete bollocks on this thread.

You might want to kill them but surely the thought of you being caught then sent to prison and your already vulnerable kids having no mum to protect them from it happening again would stop you?

I'm so very sorry, @Sevensins . That's desperately sad. Thinking of you.

Yes, he should. We all need to ask some very tough questions of our MPs about the horrendous underfunding of the justice system which means that cases can now take years to come to.trial making it inevitable that offenders will be left out on bail all that time because we haven't get enough remand facilities to cope.

lagioconda you are being deliberately obtuse. You know full well I was referring to everything surrounding this fantasy microchip as I explained. The poster herself wasn’t proposing microchipping and leaving them. Apparently they were going to be monitored by apps. A ‘team’ would be dispatched at the first sign of trouble. Do you have any idea how much things like this would cost? Then when they reoffended (because they would), the costs to take the case to court again, the police time, the prep work, compensation to the victim as they’d have been failed by the ‘microchip’. It would all cost more than £40 odd thousand and if you don’t believe that to be the case, you are delusional. The fact that you believe the buck would stop with a microchip tells me all I need to know.

They should have given Sarah Sands a medal, not a conviction.

If we give her a medal, we're sending out a signal that it's open season for any fanatic go go out and kill people s/he thinks shouldn't be allowed to live. How would you feel if it was your son who had been killed by someone who decided they weren't prepared to wait for him to be tried for a crime of which he had been wrongly charged? That's the sort of thinking that gets innocent paediatricians being persecuted.

And I bet no one else messed with your children.

She was in prison. What could she do to protect them?