I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

I agree that’s the priority. But I also think we have the technology tested and proven to work just sitting there that can immensely help to do this without resorting to an antiquated prison for life approach.

@Onnabugeisha

Your whataboutery is astounding.

And your naivety.

You are advocating that those who practice deceit and get a kick out of outwitting people to pursue their perversions should have the potential to be in society and potentially access more victims with technology as a barrier?

The only barrier that will stop them is several feet of concrete, steel doors and real time monitoring by human beings who give a shit.

The criminal justice failed to deal with him to protect future potential victims, and her children paid the price. She ensured he couldn't harm anyone else.

Good job.

I would do the same in a heartbeat.

Yep. He was in prison but got released.

And if she’d been able to afford an expensive lawyer she may not have got any jail time at all. The authorities released her children’s sex attacker on bail, then housed him opposite her children’s bedrooms. The police wouldn’t help her. Having been failed by the authorities she’d asked to protect her children, she had no choice but to try to scare off the attacker personally. She carried a knife but said she had no intention to use it. I believe her: she was a woman alone going to confront a sex attacker at his home, taking something for self defence was sensible. After the struggle and death, she turned herself into the police straight away - hardly the act of a predmeditated murderer.

She said he tried to grab the knife from her. A top lawyer could have got her off on self defence, or at least created enough doubt to avoid meeting the “beyond reasonable doubt” test required to convict her.

Failed by the prison service who released this predator into the community, failed by her local police, failed by the local council, then failed by her lawyer. Isn’t it utterly fantastic being female.

The worst bit? Having originally been given quite a light sentence, the CPS appealed and successfully sought a much longer sentence for her. Yes that’s the same CPS that only prosecute 1% of rapists. Turns out the CPS don’t care much about rape victims but they’ll fight to avenge dead rapists. 😐

I don’t think she was wrong.

i think the police were wrong to release him back to the estate before trial, and not hold him on remand. That’s the failing here. What a slap in the face to put a known paedophile back in the same environment where he had proven to cause harm.

if she hadn’t have killed him he’d been at risk of a vigilante attack, what on Earth kind of laws in this country puts a predator back into their home just a stones throw from the children he had abused & in close proximity to even more potential victims he could have gone on to prey on.

the real tragedy here is that she wasn’t there to watch the last years of her boys childhood, the not being able to be there to support them after what they’d been through.

There are subtle undertows of this elsewhere, too, as discussed in various areas of this site. Small moves, to start with, designed to break down necessary safeguarding boundaries and to normalize things that are anything but.

For starters, any organization or movement which deems the word 'safeguarding' a dog whistle is hoisting its own red flags and showing others precisely how nefarious its motives are. These people should be believed. And where this normalizing practice is taking place, it needs to be challenged loudly, repeatedly and persistently.

Universities publishing peer-reviewed research papers on this topic - I won't even precis the one I have in mind; it's repulsive, but a Google search will reveal it if wanted - need to give themselves a very serious shake-up. It's okay pleading ignorance after the event, but this simply doesn't fly. That shit will have needed, applied for, and been granted, ethics clearance. Just how the fuck did such a thing ever get through?

MAPs are also in plain sight on platforms like Twitter. These boundaries are being broken down bit-by-bit and they need resurrecting, urgently. Now.

To the ones hanging out on this site, we see you.

Given the fact he was able to walk free in public after so many repeat offenses and change his name, the rape of those boys by that monster was essentially state sanctioned...

Well said 👏

She should get a medal

There are a couple of serious apologists on this thread it's really sickening, my first post got deleted, not entirely sure why but I imagine the person I tagged wasn't happy I called them out.

I can understand why she felt the way she did. You still can't go around killing people. If there's an issue it needs to be addressed with the justice system.

Her sentence was fairly leinient to reflect the fact that what she did was understandable.

Is anyone thinking about what her boys would of wanted her to do ? I mean she could of got life as she killed someone and not been there for them even longer
Its disgusting he got let out on bail with all previous sentences and even worse allowed back to the flat so close to his victims
As a mum I would of felt like her and wanted to take matters into my own hands but I would of also had to consider how that would then affect my already traumatised kids
Obviously she wasn't thinking straight but we can't go saying people who kill are heros etc , the ones who campaign for changes etc are more heroes
Anyone convicted of such crimes should never be able to name change and should be checked on regularly to make sure they have no access to children , when released but only after a very lengthy sentence

They have a point. The paedophile in this case had been Convicted on many occasions
yet still the council placed him among young families with no warning. If course the council wasn't warned about him either. Then after he had predictably abused the Children he was bailed to his house within sight of the home of the children. He.could see their windows , he could see them in their.garden. So Mum moved house. But why should she have to move? Why should that disgusting man get to live beside his victims? It's no wonder Mum lost her grip.
This isn't a case of choosing to do the wrong thing. The woman snapped and ignored the crazy legal system which put her children in danger. This man should have been jailed for life as soon as he offended against little ones.

I was gutted her sentence was increased, should have been suspended

On the subject of MAPs, I think it interesting that the thread about the now scrubbed Balenciaga ad campaign dropped off pretty fast.

My mind boggled when I read it and saw the imagery. As someone said - hiding in plain sight.

The fact that it achieved one iota of exposure means it was sanctioned by the company and suggests very dubious things about the mind set of whoever did sign it off.

Was it a test to see how permissive the population is now? A signal that luxury brands are aligned with certain lifestyles?

Honestly it makes my blood run cold.

Awaiting trial, bailed back to his home address opposite his victims. A serial abuser who had name changed. The justice system failed the first time he abused and he was freed.

Why would the mother have any faith in a justice system that has failed......

I read those deleted posts, struggling to see why they were deleted? As far as I can see, the only people they would offend are MAPS?

I’m advocating for children to be kept safe, not sex offenders to leave in luxury 🙈 Jesus wept.

*live

I don't condone what she did, but I do understand how it happened.

What astounds me is that a sex offender can evade the need for DBS checks etc. simply by changing their name.

It's not clear to me exactly when it was discovered who this man was. Was he granted bail before the police realised he had previous convictions for 24 similar offences?

Though, either way, I'm also astounded that he was allowed to return to live so close to the children he was accused of abusing. You'd have thought his bail conditions would have required him to live somewhere else.

Where would this revenge killing stop? Could child murderers be killed? Could rapists? Someone who tortured a child or elderly person? Our society is supposed to be humane, and crimes should be dealt with appropriately, not by vigilantes. Our legislation is there to seek justice for the victims of crime, so that we do not have to attempt it ourselves. Wronged parents, partners etc need protection from their base emotions, yes they want to kill the murderer, abuser, rapist, but the courts take that burden for us. This woman who killed the abuser left her 6 children to be cared for by others. Was that a motherly action?

I’d be too afraid to go to jail to do this so I wouldn’t but I don’t judge anyone that has as long as there’s proof that the person committed the crime.