I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

My ds was abused by someone that abused 2 other children that we know of. The police did nothing. He was nothing at all. The abuser was offered counseling and that was it, all over as far as they were concerned.

I can sympathise with this woman. I have never in my life felt rage like I felt for the first year after I found out. I was just a pent-up ball of anger. Nobody cared what he had done to my son and the other children. That was the hardest part. That he got to just carry on like nothing had happened, I spent nights and nights awake in bed imagining what I would do if I ever met him again. He is still out there now, living a shitty life but still free to do whatever he wants. Nobody he meets knows what he is.

Where does the law make specific comments about photographs from 20 years ago that were only accessed once?

I don’t need an excuse - you’re lying about what happened to excuse your flippancy. I did not object to your objection to a random poster’s language. I stated my opinion that children were not safeguarded from a known predator, and you replied ‘whatever.’

Then, in classic gaslighting fashion, you lied and misquoted and misrepresented, tried to cast yourself as the victim, followed by an attempted guilt trip by mentioning that you have ‘brain injuries’ which is why it’s acceptable for you to lie and be flippant. Maybe you should leave the thread if you’re incapable of keeping up with who you are responding to.

I’m not keen on handing out life sentences like sweets because I don’t think that looking at child abuse photos should get a paedophile free housing, food, heat, healthcare, entertainment and education for life. Prison isn’t the nicest place, but for them to have it better than the thousands of decent noncriminal people currently dying on our streets is a perversity.

Back to worrying about how your taxes are spent again! Don’t worry about those poor children in the photographs being abused.

But the very fact that this is what he did means that, if convicted, he would certainly have been in jail for the rest of his life.

Oh and the person that has told shameful and disgusting lies on here, I see you 👀 .

@Foolsandtheirmoney
Sadly and horrifyingly I have experienced similar, people feel sorry for the perpetrator they are concerned that what he has done will damage his reputation and then they start to blame the victim for damaging the reputation of the perpetrator.
I think it might partly be that people can't accept that anyone would do that to a child, and of course the perpetrator goes out of his way to appear like a person who would never do anything like that.
I'm so sorry for what you've been through 🙏

And would you employ them? No, so we still support them in the community to reoffend. And we then pay for the further trials and therapy when they abuse more children as that's all that seems to bother you

So why wasn’t he sentenced to life before lagioconda??

Because he would almost certainly have got a life sentence and, given the totality of his history, it is highly likely that there would have been a minimum term imposed in the region of at least 20 years. And "minimum" does mean minimum, it would be 20 years before anyone would even begin to think about parole.

Good on her. If anyone hurt my boy I can't promise I wouldn't do the same.

I know that we have a legal system that is not based on vigilante justice or revenge but come on, what mother wouldn't at least think about killing the man who abused their child(ren)?

So no excuse for your behaviour then? You have no disability causing you ti make genuine mistakes?

Well the Equality Act says you are required to accommodate my disability, not exclude me in an ableist fashion.

And as I believe you in that I have mixed you up, that then means you had no earthly reason to say I was being flippant other than a desire to bully and cast aspersions on a CSA survivor. Which is hardly a glorious thing to do. I have a voice here and I have every right to use it.

Oh and while you’re worrying about all of those enormous taxes you pay Onnabugeisha, did it not occur to you that microchipping rapists like a Labrador dog, following their movements in the community, paying for the software to do this, employing contractors etc, would probably cost more than going to prison? When a microchip fails or is removed and the nonce reoffends, back we go through court. More taxes. When they abuse a child (because they will - unless you have a swat team ready to pounce?) - more taxes. Your microchip argument is ludicrous.

Yes I would employ them. Plenty of jobs out there from collecting bins to picking fruit. They only need to be kept away from children. It shouldn’t be that hard. I don’t think they’re owed a free life on benefits with no requirement to work.

Where is your evidence to support that lagioconda?

I suggest you go and read the sentencing guidelines and research his full history if you really want the answer to that question.

The difference in this case is the course of action that went with changing his name to facilitate the offence, combined with the fact that it was three boys involved.

You’re doing the spiral of someone who just can’t admit they’re wrong. Sad.

Whatevs.

Why, as an apparent survivor of CSA, is money more important to you Onnabugeisha?

Although I am interested to know where in the equality act it says that if a random person on mumsnet says they’re disabled then I’m required to admit that their lies are truth and go along with their incorrect version of events.

lagioconda I’ll forget more about sentencing guidelines than you’ll ever know. Your argument is completely and utterly baseless. This man was not going to prison to rot until he’d likely died, and I believe deep down that you probably know that.

Not really. We already use this technology and it’s pretty cheap. Do you pay for the Find My app? No its free. Just have a LE Bluetooth beacon in each chip and have a Find My Paedo App. I think Apple would be happy to adapt it for free, they donate a lot to charity as is and wrote free software that detects known child abuse images being uploaded to the cloud and then tracks the IP address and sends an alert to law enforcement. The AI would note any chip that goes dark and dispatch a team to the last known location to track them down.

Are you presuming he changed his name and manufactured a false DBS record for every other offence of which he was convicted?

I'm simply stating the fact that everyone is presumed innocent until found guilty. If this man had been allowed to come to trial and had been convicted there would be no element of doubt. It's a pity that he wasn't.

Well, that’s not what I asked for. A good start would be to realise that lack of memory causing genuine mistakes isn’t lying or gaslighting. Hth