I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

[HermioneKipper]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

I don’t think a life sentence is quite the deterrent you think it is And enlighten me Onnabugeisha, if these monsters are locked up for life, how will they be able to reoffend? I’m going to take a chance on it and say that going to an adult prison for life gives them less chance to access a child than walking the streets of our society.

Hang on, @Kanaloa . You misquoted me completely, so your feelings of flippancy are unfounded.

I was unsettled at your comment of “fuck them, cut off their dick if they can’t be murdered in the streets”

Thats a valid comment, but instead of saying yeah my language is a bit violent but I don’t care you go all DARVO on me and start whinging about how my use of “whatever” has unsettled you. Come off it now.

Unfortunately we don't, because we were deprived of the chance to bring him to trial.

"As soon as we start condoning vigilante justice it's the way to mob rule and anarchy."

I agree with this.
I understand why she did it but society cannot support people taking the law into their own hands.

You’ve completely missed my points. So I feel it is futile to engage further with you.

If you dont want vigilante 'justice' make sure people have access to the ordinary kind.

I’d probably recommend not engaging further with lagioconda at this point. They have continually attempted to minimise what happened to these children by appearing to disbelieve them. We are all fully aware that he hadn’t gone to trial, we are all also fully aware he was guilty.

No, Onnabugeisha, I showed you that you were incorrect on some of your points. There is a difference.

Beautifully put

I don't think I'd be capable of what she did but I think only she can be the judge of what she did working for her.
I think it was really sad she had to be away from her boys after all that though. I think that was wrong and maybe a suspended sentence would have been more appropriate. I highly doubt she would have killed anyone else going forward and I thought the point of prison is rehabilitation.

@Onnabugeisha

Just so you can stop saying I’m misquoting you, that’s your response to me saying this man had abused children over twenty times and that children were not being safeguarded from him.

It was flippant. I am not misquoting you, that’s your quote in its entirety.

I said ‘he changed his name and did this over twenty times, he was not in jail/would not be in jail long enough to keep children safe.’ You responded ‘whatever.’

Later in the thread it was ‘whatevs’ when I expanded on how the justice system does not safeguard from these men. Where do you think I’m performing DARVO? Why do you not think his is a flippant response?

No, it isn't insensitive. You chose to cite your own experience on a public forum in order to make a point; you cannot reasonably seek to prevent people challenging that point. The simple fact here is that three vulnerable children were left without the support of their mother, directly as a result of her actions.

@HermioneKipper 100% agree with you. Apparently, this creature had a criminal record littered with multiple offences over the past few decades..... abuse, rape, sexual assault, harassment, all sorts of nasty shit against women.

And yes, the mother did the right thing. I am just sorry she had to go to jail for it. She did humanity a favour.

And as for misquoting - that’s you. I never ever said that. So it’s you with the DARVO. You’re implying your response was to me using violent language - it wasn’t. You responded to me saying this had been done for years with no safeguarding for children with ‘whatever.’ You’re now pretending I said some other random thing to try to pretend you were not flippant.

kanaloa honestly, don’t bother. It’s like talking to a brick wall.

No @LaGioconda hasnt disbelieved the victims. They are simply advocating for due process of law, which is a human right. For all humans. Even the ones you hate.

The option that stops him raping again is letting the case go to trial and supporting the children in giving evidence against him. For all the totally unsupported claims on here, the reality is that he would have got a long sentence which he probably wouldn't have even survived.

In my experience brick walls are well built and useful. More like speaking to a pile of horse shit blocking the path.

Very aggravating to be blatantly misquoted then told I’m the one misquoting though!

We are all advocating for due process, we’d just like proper justice at the end of it! And no, I don’t mean killing anyone, I mean sentences that adequately reflect the severity of the crime. Although I know you’re not keen on those, seeing as they’ll affect your taxes.

I am defining it purely and simply within the definitions used in the law. Please don't try to suggest otherwise.

Well maybe I have mixed you up with another poster, it’s really hard when people stick their oars into conversations. And like Shy I have acquired brain injuries from a few too many bonks on the head, so I lack the cognitive ability to keep track of you all. All I remember is I was objecting to the violent language (which I have quoted faithfully although I may have misattributed it to you) and then you objected to my objecting to it. Anyway, what’s your excuse?

Greater use of biometric technology might be able to prevent this in future.

‘For all the totally unsupported claims on here, the reality is that he would have got a long sentence which he probably wouldn't have even survived.‘

Please provide evidence to support this unsupported claim lagioconda.

For all the totally unsupported claims on here, the reality is that he would have got a long sentence which he probably wouldn't have even survived.
Thats an unsupported claim.

TOO OLD FOR JAIL One of UK’s oldest sex attackers who duped women with ‘elderly gent’ act avoids jail as judge says prison could kill him
www.thesun.co.uk/news/13448164/sex-pest-duped-women-avoids-jail/

A JUDGE took pity on a sex offender and decided sending him to prison would be “utterly cruel”.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-offender-avoids-jail-because-845593

One third of convicted sex offenders across England and Wales avoid prison
Adults convicted of sexually assaulting children under 13 are among those who have not been jailed
www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/19/one-third-of-convicted-child-abusers-across-england-and-wales-avoid-prison

How do you protect your babies from inside a prison?