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I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

616 replies

HermioneKipper · 24/11/2022 08:18

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

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Janbohonut · 24/11/2022 13:28

And yes good riddance to him, a complete waste of skin and better off dead than able to get anywhere near children.

Onnabugeisha · 24/11/2022 13:28

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 24/11/2022 12:51

Why does a child have to have committed suicide for you to deem the actions of that paedophile bad enough that he must go to prison for life? That makes no sense. Google Shy Keenan and Stanley Claridge. Shy is an incredible woman. She suffered horrendous abuse. She didn’t kill herself. Does that mean that Stanley Claridge doesn’t deserve life inside on the basis that Shy was able to try and work through her trauma to help others?

Those microchips you’re referring to. You know that they’d find a way to remove those don’t you? You’re aware we’ve had electronic tagging for years? Plenty of those people disappear off the radar. The police and the government do not have the manpower to monitor these people day and night.

Its interesting that a main concern of yours appears to be how much tax you’d potentially pay keeping a paedophile in prison for life. I’m assuming you are a net contributor? Do you use the NHS? State schools? You’d rather a sex offender was out in the community potentially having contact with children if it meant your taxes were safe?

It makes as much sense as anyone else’s opinion. And as i said, depends on the severity of what they did how long a sentence should be. The life for a life was an example. I googled Shy Keenan and her story was horrific, her step father pimped her out like my abusive parents pimped me out. I was 10-14 though, it started at 8 for her.

But at any rate, I’m not really hung up on discussing nuances of sentences and stacking crimes on top of crimes as obviously Shy’s step father was guilty of multiple offences.

I am simply not in favour of vigilante justice of any sort, but most especially murdering a criminal. I’m against the death penalty in all forms and that is State murder by death sentence and execution as well as this mum stabbing that paedophile to death. It’s wrong.

We can do better at chipping people. That’s an issue that can be surmounted. It’s better than not even trying to track them real time. And with technology we have the AI to do the monitoring, we don’t need a human watching dots on a map to do it. I don’t care which costs more in taxes to be honest as in if it costs more to have them living in adult only communities, be monitored and have little to no freedom…so long as they are working to feed and house themselves vs sitting idle in a cushy cell with three hots and a cot. I personally think they should fend for themselves and not be given guaranteed free housing and food and entertainment and health care to do nothing but sit around. When decent people are literally going homeless and dying on the streets due to cold and starvation, a life sentence is no deterrent. It becomes a retirement plan.

LaGioconda · 24/11/2022 13:29

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 11:37

Yes, the other twenty times, after which he changed his name and did it again…

He would not have been in jail long enough to keep every other child safe from him. That’s a fact.

He was 77. There is every chance he would have got a life sentence, given the elements of planning involved. In the unlikely event he was released at all, he would have been pushing 100. How unsafe do you imagine he would have been?

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 24/11/2022 13:30

lagioconda your naivety at the justice system and elderly sex offenders is shining through.

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 13:31

LaGioconda · 24/11/2022 13:29

He was 77. There is every chance he would have got a life sentence, given the elements of planning involved. In the unlikely event he was released at all, he would have been pushing 100. How unsafe do you imagine he would have been?

What makes you think he’d have been given a 20 year sentence? What evidence points you to that? Why do you think it’s an ‘unlikely event’ he’d have ever been released given that he was released all the other times?

smileandsing · 24/11/2022 13:31

She trusted in the justice system and it let her down in allowing her childrens' abuser to return home to live across from them. She must have felt so alone and that she was the only one who could protect them.
Why wasn't he restricted from being near them? That would happen in a domestic abuse case before it came to trial. Why weren't they moved somewhere safe while awaiting the trial? The children should have been protected first and foremost, not left in harm's way.
I don't know if I would do what she did, but I understand it.

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 13:31

You just sound like you are either sadly naive or wilfully ignorant and disrespectful.

MytummydontjigglejiggleItfolds · 24/11/2022 13:32

The prison sentence impacted them negativity.
The killing made them feel relief.
Was the Mother a danger to society? What did her prison sentence achieve?

Tinseltosser · 24/11/2022 13:32

Lockheart · 24/11/2022 12:40

Or the pubescent children and young teenagers who realise their developing sexual attraction is abnormal but have nowhere to turn to ask for help.

The only 'help' effective enough would be chemical castration...or death.

I've seen the 'MAP' paedophile community on twitter, sharing their 'innocent' art work and patting each other on the back for not 'actually' abusing children while sharing their fantasises of doing just that. We all know that statistically they won't remain just fantasies.

And yes, I say the exact same if it was my son. I'd expect him to volunteer for chemical castration, if not any paedophile refusing (and yes, I include those 'just' watching child rape and fantasising over child rape animation/artwork as paedophiles) should be sentenced to life in prison.

Personally, if I woke up tomorrow and realised I was sexually attracted to children, I'd find a nice high bridge to jump off.

ancientgran · 24/11/2022 13:33

Emmelina · 24/11/2022 13:18

I don’t blame her.
The boys were with grandparents while she was inside, they involved her in every decision made still which I think is amazing.

They've said they would wake up in the night crying for her but I'm sure her being involved in every decision must have made up for that.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 24/11/2022 13:33

No, it doesn’t make sense at all. You really do seem to care more about them paying their own way. I don’t think many offenders see a life sentence as a ‘retirement plan’. That’s just bizarre.

Onnabugeisha · 24/11/2022 13:33

Personally, if I woke up tomorrow and realised I was sexually attracted to children, I'd find a nice high bridge to jump off.

Or you could join a nunnery and live a life of service and charity. 🤷‍♀️

LaGioconda · 24/11/2022 13:33

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 11:46

And don’t you think it’s dangerous for any society to allow men to rape and abuse children with impunity? Even changing their names to gain access easily to new victims?

The vigilantism would never have occurred if the justice system had done its job in the first place.

As a society, we don't allow men to rape and abuse children with impunity. That is why it's a crime.

Yes, there is a lot wrong with our justice system, primarily because it is ludicrously underfunded by a lying government that likes to pretend otherwise. That is where our anger should be directed. As soon as we start condoning vigilante justice it's the way to mob rule and anarchy.

FourTeaFallOut · 24/11/2022 13:34

Or you could join a nunnery and live a life of service and charity.

Yeah, like the priests...oh, hang on.

GrannyMilton · 24/11/2022 13:35

the "justice" system utterly failed again and again and again.

monsters like him should never have been out, nevermind able to change names, target more children.

this is a failure of the "justice" system - he was never going to face "justice", no one was doing anything.

it would have been more children if she hadn't stopped him.

the world is better off, and safer, because of her action.

Thelnebriati · 24/11/2022 13:36

As a society we allow convicted sex offenders to change their identity, or have their names removed from the sex offenders register by applying to the police. We allow them to live in a house opposite their victims.
We allow them to avoid jail on the grounds they might not have a very good time in there. We allow them to be placed in women's prisons if they so wish.

Toddlerteaplease · 24/11/2022 13:36

I think her sentence was way to short. She's still taken a life. And taking the knife indicates pre meditation.

LaGioconda · 24/11/2022 13:37

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 11:45

I mean I think it’s unsettling to hear a poster more than once say ‘whatever’ about a man who prolifically raped and abused young children. Your flippancy about this man’s crimes (and his violence) are unsettling to me.

She didn't say "whatever" about this man, and wasn't flippant - it's very easy to check.

Onnabugeisha · 24/11/2022 13:37

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 24/11/2022 13:33

No, it doesn’t make sense at all. You really do seem to care more about them paying their own way. I don’t think many offenders see a life sentence as a ‘retirement plan’. That’s just bizarre.

Yes, after they have served their sentence(s), they should pay their way. I don’t think a life sentence is quite the deterrent you think it is.

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 13:38

LaGioconda · 24/11/2022 13:33

As a society, we don't allow men to rape and abuse children with impunity. That is why it's a crime.

Yes, there is a lot wrong with our justice system, primarily because it is ludicrously underfunded by a lying government that likes to pretend otherwise. That is where our anger should be directed. As soon as we start condoning vigilante justice it's the way to mob rule and anarchy.

Clearly, we do. This man is an example of how we allow men to rape and abuse with impunity. A man can do it over and over and over. Short sentences in prison then off to do it again. Changed name to make it easier. It is allowed.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 24/11/2022 13:38

If I was the judge then that lady would NOT have gone to prison.
We are far too soft with paedophiles in this country.

MrsThimbles · 24/11/2022 13:39

barneshome · 24/11/2022 08:49

As a Chinese colleague said
The Uk thinks they are better than us because we execute murderers and sex offenders
In China we do not think that keeping people like that alive and upsetting the victims and there families is in any way civilized

I’m not convinced that executing prisoners and harvesting their organs for transplant is very civilized either.

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 13:39

LaGioconda · 24/11/2022 13:37

She didn't say "whatever" about this man, and wasn't flippant - it's very easy to check.

I felt it was flippant. She responded to my comment about how I find the ‘women do it too’ whataboutery disrespectful with ‘whatevs.’ That response to this horrific crime and the social issues around it is flippant.

But clearly you’re from the same viewpoint, so unsurprising that you’ve taken up for them.

Onnabugeisha · 24/11/2022 13:40

FourTeaFallOut · 24/11/2022 13:34

Or you could join a nunnery and live a life of service and charity.

Yeah, like the priests...oh, hang on.

You mean monks. Priests don’t live shut away in a monastery, they are in communities.

LaGioconda · 24/11/2022 13:41

Dotjones · 24/11/2022 11:57

It sounds very expensive. This is why I'm in favour of the death penalty (for serious criminals) - a gallows, a rope and gravity do the job, simply and effectively (most experts agree that even if the drop doesn't kill instantly, people usually die within 20 minutes or so).

No need to keep someone in prison for years, no need to supervise them after release, no human rights lawyers arguing that castration is unacceptable. Simply execute after conviction and incinerate the body.

(Lawyers will still argue of course, but it's a fait accompli by the time their case gets to court.)

Yes, that would have been a great punishment for people convicted of serious offences like, say, Stefan Kiszko, Sally Clark and Angela Cummings, wouldn't it?