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I’d want to do the same - mother kills children’s abuser

616 replies

HermioneKipper · 24/11/2022 08:18

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-sands-kill-sex-abuse-paedophile-b2231508.html

i think any parent would do the same if given the chance

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OlympicProcrastinator · 24/11/2022 11:17

gave not have

Buteverythingsfine · 24/11/2022 11:19

I don’t know why so many people on this thread are holding up this woman’s actions as anything positive even she, in the interview I saw, didn't see what she'd done as a positive, if only because she missed the formative years of her sons and she also had the knowledge she'd killed someone which had haunted her even though she felt justified in the moment. She doesn't want others to do what she did at all, she wants to change the law to prevent name changes by convicted paedophiles which is very sensible.

Onnabugeisha · 24/11/2022 11:19

Fuwari · 24/11/2022 09:27

The thing is she didn’t go there intending to kill him. She wanted him to agree to plead guilty so her boys wouldn’t have to give evidence. He then had the nerve to say to her that the boys were lying. No wonder she saw red. He had a chance to do one right thing in his life and none of this would have happened. I can feel zero sympathy for him. All my sympathy is for her and her sons.

Yeah, I always take a big honking knife with me with zero intention of actually using it….

Whatalife88 · 24/11/2022 11:20

Good on her

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 11:20

HolidaysAreComin · 24/11/2022 11:16

I watched the video on iplayer about this, what happened to her children was truly awful and them deciding to release him on bail to his home address which was opposite where they lived was a terrible decision given what he had done. BUT personally I cant condone what she did, I have 3 young children myself and I can't even contemplate how she felt, but I just don't think I'd be capable of such a thing. To murder anyone in such a cold blooded way you would surely have some sort of background where violence featured/have some sort of mental illness? I just couldn't do this, not just on a moral level, but I wouldn't have it in me to take someone else's life. She was charged with manslaughter, how she managed that when she set out with a knife is beyond me and she didn't call for help after she'd done it, definite intent to murder. She was lucky to only get 7 years.

Longer prison sentences are needed for the sexual abusers and no bail offered when they are arrested, the system did fail her and her children, but what she did was very wrong and deserved a prison sentence.

I mean, as you say, you can’t contemplate how she felt. If your children had suffered in this worst way of all then you would maybe find yourself feeling capable of things you had never before. Can you actually imagine it? A man raping and hurting your children in ways they don’t even understand, and enjoying it, then being released to live on your street and saying your children had lied? Making them tell people about it in court, reliving the utter agony and degradation, their lives tainted forever, just for him to get away with it and do it again as he did before?

I just think when you’ve been through that, you suddenly find yourself capable of things you thought you would never even contemplate.

heathspeedwell · 24/11/2022 11:21

It's interesting that she is campaigning to change the law to make it harder for sex offenders to change their names.

I think this is something we can all agree with. Once someone has shown how despicable they are by committing a sex crime, I don't think they deserve the 'right' to simply change their name and start again. It makes it far too easy for them to reoffend.

What's the point of DBS checks if the bad guys simply cheat?

oakleaffy · 24/11/2022 11:22

Meanwhile there is a concerted effort to re-label these monsters as Minor Attracted People or MAPs.

Yes, the identity arseholes are pushing for this to be a recognised sexuality.

Quote.

It’s horrifying that this is being pushed forwards.Inclusion under the rainbow 🌈 umbrella of sexuality.
First heard of this by a shocked Gay friend.

Georgeskitchen · 24/11/2022 11:22

Good I'm.glad he's dead. Shame it doesn't happen more often

Soothsayer1 · 24/11/2022 11:22

Yes he deserved it yes I would want to do the same....but I hope I wouldnt, just because the impulse is understandable does not mean we should follow it!
I don't know what the answer is is for these types of offenses but I'm pretty sure it's not summary executions carried out by the citizens.

ancientgran · 24/11/2022 11:24

FourTeaFallOut · 24/11/2022 10:00

Are some of you imagining a sliding doors moment where she didn't kill him, the children got through the court case unscathed and he went to prison for the rest of his life never to harm another child again? Do you, read the news?

No I think some of us are imagining her children needing their mother and her being there for them.

Blocked · 24/11/2022 11:26

Buteverythingsfine · 24/11/2022 11:19

I don’t know why so many people on this thread are holding up this woman’s actions as anything positive even she, in the interview I saw, didn't see what she'd done as a positive, if only because she missed the formative years of her sons and she also had the knowledge she'd killed someone which had haunted her even though she felt justified in the moment. She doesn't want others to do what she did at all, she wants to change the law to prevent name changes by convicted paedophiles which is very sensible.

Poor woman. I hope she can forgive herself. She probably saved a lot more children from abuse.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 24/11/2022 11:26

luxxlisbon · 24/11/2022 11:14

I don’t know why so many people on this thread are holding up this woman’s actions as anything positive.
She was sent to prison for years. Her young boys were abused which is already awful and life altering and then instead of being there for them she spends the rest of their formative years in prison which was completely avoidable.
What did she achieve by killing this man other than destroying her own children’s lives even more?

Peace of mind for her children who know they will never have to cross paths with him again. I would say thats worth it. Saving many more children from the same abuse. Thats worth it too.

Soothsayer1 · 24/11/2022 11:26

The problem is now that she's done that she's a killer and there's no going back for her, maybe she's easier in her mind now she's killed him?

KimberleyClark · 24/11/2022 11:27

oakleaffy · 24/11/2022 11:22

Meanwhile there is a concerted effort to re-label these monsters as Minor Attracted People or MAPs.

Yes, the identity arseholes are pushing for this to be a recognised sexuality.

Quote.

It’s horrifying that this is being pushed forwards.Inclusion under the rainbow 🌈 umbrella of sexuality.
First heard of this by a shocked Gay friend.

They won’t succeed.

Onnabugeisha · 24/11/2022 11:27

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 10:24

I also don’t know why people are talking about ‘oh she should have let him suffer in prison.’ That’s what she wanted! He wasn’t going to go to prison for any reasonable length of time. She couldn’t swallow a man who had brutalised her children being allowed to walk free to do it again, as he had done so many times before. How could she?

They’re saying that because he was bailed and awaiting trial when she killed him. He hadn’t been let off to “walk free”. If he’d stood trial, he’d have probably been put back in prison especially being a reoffender.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 24/11/2022 11:27

Sevensins · 24/11/2022 08:49

My mum and dad looked into getting a hitman to sort out the paedophile who abused me. They didnt. A couple of years later my dad commited suicide. I wished my dad went to prison for killing him, than killing himself.

I'm sorry to hear about the abuse, and your dad. Flowers I hope there's someone you can talk to about it if you need to. I eventually told my story to DH and he helped me hugely, in that now it (mostly) no longer impacts my daily life.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 24/11/2022 11:29

They’re saying that because he was bailed and awaiting trial when she killed him. He hadn’t been let off to “walk free”. If he’d stood trial, he’d have probably been put back in prison especially being a reoffender.

Really? Thats deluded to think that knowing all his other offences and he was walking free. He'd have got a slap on the wrist or a short sentence at best.

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 11:29

Onnabugeisha · 24/11/2022 11:27

They’re saying that because he was bailed and awaiting trial when she killed him. He hadn’t been let off to “walk free”. If he’d stood trial, he’d have probably been put back in prison especially being a reoffender.

He had already done it over 20 times!! Why do you think this is the time he’ll be thrown in jail to ‘suffer’ for life as some people seem to be imagining?

allboysherebutme · 24/11/2022 11:30

All pedos should be hanged and then people would not feel they had to take the law into their own hands. X

HolidaysAreComin · 24/11/2022 11:30

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 11:20

I mean, as you say, you can’t contemplate how she felt. If your children had suffered in this worst way of all then you would maybe find yourself feeling capable of things you had never before. Can you actually imagine it? A man raping and hurting your children in ways they don’t even understand, and enjoying it, then being released to live on your street and saying your children had lied? Making them tell people about it in court, reliving the utter agony and degradation, their lives tainted forever, just for him to get away with it and do it again as he did before?

I just think when you’ve been through that, you suddenly find yourself capable of things you thought you would never even contemplate.

I'm still not convinced I would, I can't even watch violence in a film, even just fist fighting. My husband once put kill Bill on years ago (not sure which one) she stabs someone in the first few mins, I made him turn it off and said do not ever put anything like that on again (very early on in our relationship 20 years ago and he never did!!). So I really don't think I would or could.

ellebelli · 24/11/2022 11:30

knittingaddict · 24/11/2022 08:56

In the moment, if someone was attacking my children, I could easily kill them.

Planned and in cold blood, no I couldn't and wouldn't. I honestly think it takes a certain something to do that, which most people don't possess. Thank goodness.

Exactly this.
Also going to jail and leaving your own children who you were trying to protect makes no sense.
They needed their mum and instead had to face the horror of abuse and then their mums actions.

ancientgran · 24/11/2022 11:30

oakleaffy · 24/11/2022 11:15

I wonder if those apologists for paedophiles would feel differently if they have seen the emotional damage wrought by these vile perps?

Would you feel differently if you'd seen her sons living without their mother for 7.5 years?

Kanaloa · 24/11/2022 11:31

And to be honest when you can say ‘probably put back in prison’ about a man who has abused children over and over and over then there’s the problem in that one sentence. First the word ‘probably,’ showing that even you know it’s not certain, then the word ‘back.’ What’s the point! It’s obviously not working.

InPraiseOfBacchus · 24/11/2022 11:31

Ivyonafence · 24/11/2022 08:33

She would have been a hero in prison

Ex prison staff here. It's still amazing to me how many fantasies people have about prison culture/life. I'm actually fascinated why they're so prevalent. I think it's because people who go to prison (as they're presented in the media) are just humanised enough to be relatable but just dehumanised enough to be the subject of sensationalist urban legends?

Anyway, this scenario isn't likely.

Penguinsaregreat · 24/11/2022 11:32

She should not have gone to prison, it benefits nobody. A waste of public money. A suspended sentence would have surficed.
I don’t hold with all this you can’t take the law into your own hands. This government steal from us every single day and they aren’t subject to the laws of the land, they aren’t in prison. So that argument doesn’t hold with me. He got what he deserved.

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