David Badiel - Jews Don't Count. Shocked

[Everanewbie]

AIBU to be disappointed and upset at the blindspot for antisemitism that was highlighted in last night's excellent documentary? The Leigh Francis part was especially revealing to me. The (quite correct) groveling apologies for the Michael Jackson, Craig David and Mel B characters were a contrast to the defining silence on the David Badiel character.

What is more, the reaction from the left-wing commentators (Owen Jones, et al) on twitter seem to suggest that Badiel says other racism doesn't exist, which feels like a deliberate and willful misrepresentation.

@Everanewbie Really! Do you realise how unhinged that sounds?
likening a pp to a member of the klu klux klan, because she suggested that David Baddiel, arch racist and sexist, would possibly have anything other than the purest of motives!

This is all over Twitter and multiple other sites.
Are they all kkk members as well?

Thete are plenty of Jews who disagree with the whole premise of the book and the programme.
If it makes you feel better to label all of them as anti semites as then crack on!!

I wish I did not have to send an email and a copy of my passport before I attend a new synagogue but it is what it is.

The British did not fight world war 2 because of Jewish people. They fought it as the Germans were going to invade Britain. The British either accepted that Nazi Germany would rule the British or they fought.

@antelopevalley This is absolutely the case, and Britain would not accept Jews who were fleeing from Europe either.
The only reason they fought was pure self preservation!

I don’t think that @Notwavingbutsignalling was referring to the funding of the security, but that the fact that it’s needed at all is so concerning that it should be a national conversation. (Apologies if I misread that, Notwaving) Interesting that your response doesn’t take that aspect into account in the slightest.

Until 2010, parents of children at Jewish schools paid for extra security measures themselves. Other faith schools were asked if they required the same to but all said it wasn’t needed as there weren’t the same level of threats/ incidents.

Jewish privilege, eh?

@Snoozer11

Security outside Jewish institutions is absolutely necessary.
I'll recount some of the incidents that have transpired within the last few years.

• A few weeks ago I witnessed a middle aged white man try enter a synagogue waving a knife. The security guard held him down until the police came.
• When I was a kid, teens threw rocks into my primary school playground whilst yelling Jews!
• A break in at a local Jewish school, the walls and furniture were spray painted with swastikas.
• A deranged man standing outside my son's primary school yelling "Kill the Jews.."

So, sadly you're very wrong. I'm grateful that the British government appreciate the very real danger and fund the security.

I see “crying antisemitism”, I stop reading.

How about you read this, babes?

“CST’s Antisemitic Incidents Report January-June 2022, published today, shows 786 anti-Jewish hate incidents recorded nationwide in the first half of this year. This is a 43% decrease from the 1,371 incidents recorded in the first six months of 2021, and the joint-fifth-highest total ever reported to CST between January and June in any year. CST recorded 875 antisemitic incidents in the first half of 2020, 911 in the first six months of 2019, and 810 from January to June 2018.”

cst.org.uk/news/blog/2022/08/04/antisemitic-incidents-report-january-june-2022

Crying antisemitism
It’s dealt with faster than racism

jesus. This is so blatant

@ChanukahLewinsky @FloydPepper

I see “crying antisemitism”, I stop reading.

yep, 100% this. It's exactly the same as the phrase 'playing the race card'. It tells you exactly who you are dealing with, and you know that any dialogue is futile.

Translation. It is hard to be antisemitic because people tell me I am antisemitic.

The CST is hardly a trusted source. But thanks.

Yes. "Playing the race card" = "unfairly pointing out that I am being racist"

Oh go away, your boring hate-filled posts add absolutely nothing to the sum of human knowledge or happiness.

I realise it is often very difficult for those outside the community/group in question to know who is really representative and who is not - a lot of the reason that people who are white did not feel comfortable criticising anything said by Kanye West when he was only talking about discrimination against groups he is identifiably part of - it can be very hard for outsiders to criticise those who appear to be disagreeing from within the group (which is why they can be so useful to said outsiders).
On the other hand somebody white going onto a thread discussing the experience of being black in the US or Britain and saying "I am not sure that everyone will agree with his critique" - and linking to Kayne West would, I hope, not have gone down well even in the old days. There are some extraordinary outliers in every community.

You don't think these "Jewish folks" might sadly find it very easy to believe that people are "out to hurt them" based on 2000+ years of history and the fact 6 million of them were murdered in Europe within living memory?

So @Jazzandblues how would you reason the above incidents that I myself have witnessed?

Am I one of the "Jewish folks whom are lead to believe that people are out to hurt them and want them dead, to prevent cohesion."?

@amcha you are much more polite than me. Rivkh brwn, like Jewd*s, is what people call a useful idiot. She's a jew who is acting out a sort of adolescent strop against her whole community and in the process providing useful cover for antisemites.

Very silly of her to think for a moment that she's anything but a jew in their eyes. Look what happened to Jon Lansman the moment he stepped slightly out of line (I have to admit that was quite funny).

On the subject of Simon Wiesenthal, and before this thread finally collapses under the weight of the anti semites, have you read his book The Sunflower?

If you haven't here is the blurb (from Amazon):

"While imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp, Simon Wiesenthal was taken one day from his work detail to the bedside of a dying member of the SS. Haunted by the crimes in which he had participated, the soldier wanted to confess toand obtain absolution froma Jew. Faced with the choice between compassion and justice, silence and truth, Wiesenthal said nothing. But even years after the way had ended, he wondered: Had he done the right thing? What would you have done in his place?

In this important book, fifty-three distinguished men and women respond to Wiesenthal's questions. They are theologians, political leaders, writers, jurists, psychiatrists, human rights activists, Holocaust survivors, and victims of attempted genocides in Bosnia, Cambodia, China and Tibet. Their responses, as varied as their experiences of the world, remind us that Wiesenthal's questions are not limited to events of the past."

Worth reading.

I know, right? The PP’s motives are SO unclear. And she’s definitely well informed about the speed at which antisemitic hate crimes are prosecuted. Like this “suspected/ perceived” case of a convoy of cars shouting “F*ck the Jews. Kill their wives. Rape their daughters” in a Jewish area last year. Charges dropped last week. And the “suspected/alleged case” of a group of young boys attacked last year, where the BBC initially falsely claimed they’d provoked it. No further action there either.

That bloody Jewish privilege again!

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/23139381.finchley-road-convoy-antisemitism-charges-dropped/

You are just proving my point.

It's very thought provoking isn't it. Well worth a read.

I am trying to illustrate how warped a person’s world view would be to suggest a black anti racist campaigner was monetising racism if they wrote about their experiences and the feelings of their community. Wilfully missing the point again.

Thank you for the recommendation, I will look it up.

I have some good recommendations too but am running out the door now. Will post them later, or after Shabbat as I'm guessing you won't be on then, and it will be carte blanche for the racists.

good shabbos if I don't get back in time x

Do you not bore even yourself with this crap?