David Badiel - Jews Don't Count. Shocked

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AIBU to be disappointed and upset at the blindspot for antisemitism that was highlighted in last night's excellent documentary? The Leigh Francis part was especially revealing to me. The (quite correct) groveling apologies for the Michael Jackson, Craig David and Mel B characters were a contrast to the defining silence on the David Badiel character.

What is more, the reaction from the left-wing commentators (Owen Jones, et al) on twitter seem to suggest that Badiel says other racism doesn't exist, which feels like a deliberate and willful misrepresentation.

You appear to be saying antisemitism is not real?

@antelopevalley Where have I said that? Do point it out.

@VladmirsPoutine You say Baddiel has not had a single setback in his career in spite of his racism. Then talk about the impact of racism on black people.
Are you really saying that antisemitism has not affected David?

@antelopevalley Read back what I wrote very slowly in which you will find the answer to your question very clearly.

Okay I will ignore you; I did read your comment. No need to be so insulting.

Highlighting the Palestinian cause does not equal hating Israel.

Do you think everyone that posted pictures of the Ukrainian flag in support of people suffering hate Russia, or that they would be racist towards any Russian?

Of course Palestine wants to get rid of Israel. Isreal is continuing to steal Palestinian land and oppress Palestinian people while the world turns a blind eye.

Sections of society, wherever they are on the political spectrum, have valid reason to show support for Palestinian and it is pathetic and inaccurate when that is automatically translated into anti semitism.

@MelchiorsMistress

It is part of Hamas’ declaration that they will not stop until every Jewish person is dead.

That’s a direct, explicit threat.

Despite the avowed aim of the elected Palestinian government to "wipe the state of Israel off the map. That's a direct quote btw.

Not a direct quote and not said by the Palestinian government. But what's a few minor details like that.

Agree. I live in an area where there is a large minority community who are very vocal against Jews. Ironic really, when you think they’d be the most sympathetic, having probably experienced a lot of prejudice themselves.

I love Mumsnet but it is an absolute cesspool of antisemites. This thread is depressing as fuck.

@Bergmum do you have any concrete evidence for that claim?

She was saying Jewish actresses don’t play get to play leading Jewish women. And gave a long, long list of examples including Felicity Jones as RGB, Rachel Brosnahan as Mrs Maisel, Rachel McAdams as a religious Jews in that film I can’t remember the name of. The list is endless.

And naming two leading ladies out of the hundreds of non Jews (the Kate Hudsons, Anne Hathaways, Angelina Jolies, Kate Beckinsales, Jennifer Lawrences etc etc etc) who dominate the box office is precisely her point.

Btw ScarJo has never publicly confirmed whether or not she is Jewish (for obvious reasons) and she doesn’t look Jewish or have a Jewish sounding name. Gal Gadot is an outlier picked because the director who cast her (Zack Snyder) is a wacky guy (and also a religious Christian I believe although don’t quote me on that).

I went to a Jewish school and we had security guards and fences the entire way round.

If you really don’t know about the thousands of terrorist attacks and hate crimes that have taken place on Jewish institutions or individuals it would take just a moment to Google but here’s a few to get you started

UK, 2022: www.theguardian.com/news/2022/feb/10/anti-jewish-hate-incidents-hit-record-high-in-uk
USA, 2022: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleyville_synagogue_hostage_crisis
USA, 2018: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
France, 2012: www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/focus/20220311-toulouse-shootings-a-decade-on-locals-remember-horror-of-jewish-school-attack

Unfortunately mumsnet is not unusual in this respect. I have come to realise as I get older that the world is a bit of a cesspit of antisemitism 😒

Not everyone - my husband isn't Jewish, nor are many of my closest friends,and they are not remotely antisemitic.

But culturally, antisemitism is really embedded in European culture and history. I recently read a history of the plague (14th century) and throughout France they massacred the Jews in almost every town , sometimes on the pretext that they were 'poisoning the wells' but often just...because. only Marseilles didn't do it.

I've come to realise through the corbyn years that a significant proportion of British people just really deeply,viscerally loathe Jews. It's baked in and it's not possible, mostly, to address it or change it

Corbyn was a Palestine issue. As far as I am aware he never said a antisemitic thing.

Badiel is a racist. Point blank period.

Thank you for taking the time to find and post the links, but I think it's really clear that that poster is not engaging in good faith. I've unfortunately seen a lot of it online over the past few years and it's very recognisable.

It wasn't until I encountered it face to face in real life, though, that I truly realised how much they properly hate us, and how disingenuous any engagement is.

It was at the 'enough is enough' protest in 2018 ish, and a bunch of counter protestors, corbynites, surrounded me and my children as we left to go home, jeered, mocked and laughed at me as I tried to engage with them (in good faith, respectfully and politely). My kids were about 8 and 5 at the time.

It was truly horrendous and chilling, but it made me realise what we were facing - the depth of the hatred, the absolute not seeing us as real people they could listen and talk to, the complete lack of concern for the fact that they were deliberately upsetting very young children.

Later on during the 2019 election campaign, similar people turned up outside my kids' primary school and intimidated and abused parents and children (I actually got a written apology from the local Labour candidate for that - he is a reasonably ok guy).

I always remember those people and the look in their eyes when I get drawn into these discussions online. They really, really, really despise us.

Palestinians might not agree with you.

Which claim @LisaJool ?

I thought it was utterly awful. I thought the point was laboured to an embarrassing degree. David Schwimmer saying he was representative of a minority was shameful. The woman with the grey hair was very good though. I liked how she put that clown Baddiel in his place

@Bergmum that the biggest threat to Jewish schools/synagogues is from Muslims.

It was at the 'enough is enough' protest in 2018 ish, and a bunch of counter protestors, corbynites, surrounded me and my children as we left to go home, jeered, mocked and laughed at me as I tried to engage with them (in good faith, respectfully and politely). My kids were about 8 and 5 at the time.

It was truly horrendous and chilling, but it made me realise what we were facing - the depth of the hatred, the absolute not seeing us as real people they could listen and talk to, the complete lack of concern for the fact that they were deliberately upsetting very young children.

Crikey, that's awful @BloodAndFire, must have been scary for your kids. Kinder, gentler politics, eh? Antisemitism was rife in my CLP meetings (members weren't even holding back, it was all just laid out bare. Because it had become normalised). I'm not Jewish but it made me feel massively uncomfortable, and as a socialist it just absolutely boggled my mind that a minority group could be treated like this by so-called socialists. I bailed out around the middle of 2019 and haven't had anything to do with the party since.

On the contrary I thought that David schwimmer was absolutely bang on, I could relate to everything he said

And naming two leading ladies out of the hundreds of non Jews (the Kate Hudsons, Anne Hathaways, Angelina Jolies, Kate Beckinsales, Jennifer Lawrences etc etc etc) who dominate the box office is precisely her point.

You missed the part where I mentioned Goldie Hawn AKA Kate Hudson's mum, is Jewish. Kate was raised Jewish herself. If you Google it you will find a lot of actors and actresses are descended from Jews, even if they don't have the name or face you think fits.

Thank you Bloodandfire. Yes very interesting! Glad my inner brain thoughts weren’t unPC, and sorry you have experienced discrimination.