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Why does no one know ....

135 replies

stillvicarinatutu · 17/11/2022 22:12

I've googled and Googled

I'm a celebrity- what happens to the rats , frogs , snakes , lizards, water dragons , alligators etc AFTER the trials ?

Where do they go and what happens to them ?

There is a distinct lack of information on what happens to these animals after the trials .

I had heard they are culled as they cannot be released into the eco system.

There is absolutely no information available.

These are sentient creatures- I love rats , they are intelligent, affectionate, trainable, loving animals - yet I cannot find any info on what happens after these trials .

Why is that ?

OP posts:
custardbear · 18/11/2022 04:49

I always assumed the animals were from breeders; they'd really not be able to use a bunch of wild rats who may attack people, so would assume they're hand reared animals who go back to the breeders

Insects - they'd likely be from animal feed breeders ... many would escape and live in the jungle after that

I may be wrong but that's what I'd have thought

kateandme · 18/11/2022 04:51

Storge · 18/11/2022 01:53

I think you're making excuses. I've been vegan for nearly 25 years, and found it easy back then. It's sooooo easy these days, I really don't think there are any valid reasons other than just not wanting to go vegan. Get some vegan cookbooks, join some online vegan groups (e.g. on Facebook), and you'll soon just click with it.

Killing animals for food Vs killing animals for entertainment. Not much difference to the animal. It's all cruel and needless.

For many different reasons. For health.for choice m.for practical.for financial.I could go on and on on why it’s not practical for some.
and it being a choice even with no reason doesn’t need to bring shame or agro.
mest esters Dan still love animals
can still want them treated with love and respect.
thye can still be good people and live as substainably as possible.
we don’t need to belittle or question either side. But vegans do have such a go at meat eaters every time. And it just gets exhausting

Ladybug14 · 18/11/2022 04:56

stillvicarinatutu · 18/11/2022 00:03

I've asked itv.

Got nothing . You think the production company will reply ? Or shall I just ask any and dec eh ?

Why not? If I were as desperate as you, to find out, I'd have contacted all sorts including my MP. I don't think googling and googling is enough, is it?

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/11/2022 05:02

Most likely..

They will come from commercial animal suppliers, some will be exotic pet food producers that breed roaches, rats etc for the live/frozen pet food trade, for feeding to snakes, frogs, lizards etc.

Some will be from specialists in providing animals for TV & Film, where animals are needed in bulk, that'll be snakes, small gators, lizards, spiders.

The bigger more expensive/harder to produce animals are likely to go back, if they survive of course, as such companies tend to hire animals out.

I would think the food species are likely to be euthanised but some may go back, and some will enter the pet food chain, and some will go on to be breeding stock - these will be the fast breeding, short life span species.

The bigger more expensive exotics will live out their lives breeding and being hired out for film and tv work, or sold as pets.

Unfortunately for these animals there is nothing in our animal welfare laws (or Australias) that says these animals have to be kept alive, they can be euthanised and there are a variety of ways it is acceptable to do that, legally, as long as its deemed not to cause unnecessary suffering (how they get away with that, given there is nothing necessary about locking a load of rats into a box with a screaming twat, and it definitely causes suffering for the rats, I do not know).

Spookypig · 18/11/2022 05:10

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 17/11/2022 22:34

Hmmm

I got my arse handed to me and called a cunt last time I made a post like this but fuck it.

Unless you’re a vegan (which I am not) I don’t think you can really be horrified about animals dying whilst also tucking into a bacon sandwich later. I don’t know why people see entertainment as so much worse than gluttony. We don’t need to eat animals. . Not to mention the brutal cruelty of dairy farming - at least wild animals getting shot have a chance to be where they are supposed to be and not crammed in a farm, having their babies removed from them and milked until they die.

And I’m sure that the animals aren’t more forgiving knowing they die to be eaten.

I highly doubt it goes like this:
Human: “I’m gonna kill you for fun”
Animal: “WHAT! OUTRAGEOUS! That is not acceptable”

Human: “I’m killing you to eat your flesh later”
Animal: “Meh. Understandable”.

I don’t think that eating meat is ‘gluttony’. I eat meat as it’s part of a healthy diet. I tried being vegan and despite a huge amount of research into the healthiest options and getting all my nutrients from elsewhere, I felt absolutely rotten without the nutrients from meat and eggs. My family eats meat in healthy, home cooked meals and in moderation. It’s hardly gluttony.

I also disagree with your statement that unless you’re a vegan you can’t get upset about this I’m a Celebrity thing. There’s a difference between accepting that animals are killed for food, and accepting that animals are killed for entertainment. Entertainment isn’t acceptable to me, whereas food is. Id be upset if I heard they were killed as it’s pointless death whereas I’d not be so upset if they were fed to the camp mates! To me, eating meat is natural and I’ve made my peace with it.

Spookypig · 18/11/2022 05:13

kateandme · 18/11/2022 04:51

For many different reasons. For health.for choice m.for practical.for financial.I could go on and on on why it’s not practical for some.
and it being a choice even with no reason doesn’t need to bring shame or agro.
mest esters Dan still love animals
can still want them treated with love and respect.
thye can still be good people and live as substainably as possible.
we don’t need to belittle or question either side. But vegans do have such a go at meat eaters every time. And it just gets exhausting

Not to mention that the vegan alternatives that are sold today and make being vegan ‘so easy’ are highly processed and full of disgusting additives that I’d not touch with a barge pole, let alone feed to my family! 🤮

TheLadyofShalott1 · 18/11/2022 05:25

@stillvicarinatutu You sound like an absolutely lovely and special person, and I think you should feel content with how much you already do for the general animal kingdom. Sadly (at least on Mumsnet), many vegans seem to be haters of everyone else who are not strict vegans thrmselves. You sound like a very caring person, and also one that can at least tolerate meat eaters if they are not people who actually torture or enjoy torturing other animals.

I have tried being a vegetarian in the past, and have no intention of going into the myriad of reasons here on why I have failed, so let's just say it is because I am a selfish bastard who is too lazy and uncaring to actually put the effort into being a vegetarian, never mind a vegan - in a way, I suppose I have to admit that is true. I don't think of it as a positive when I tell you that if I had to kill an animal myself to survive, I just couldn't do it - but I appear to think that it is ok to let another human kill the animal for me, as long as I don't have to see it's face, or look into it's eyes. I do hate myself for that, but obviously not enough.

So you can see OP, you are doing much better than me, and for all the right reasons, and you do forego eating animals and nearly all of the products that come from them, that would make your life much simpler if you just didn't bother. You do bother OP, you do care, and you do put yourself out over general creature welfare, so please ignore the trolls on here, whether they claim to be vegans or not. In my opinion you are a much nicer and better person, who cares about all the animals on our planet, including the absolute worse ones - us humans of course - than the very narrow minded and smug 'vegans' that have been having a go at you here. For clarification, I am not saying that all, or even most vegans, are narrow minded or smug, some of my children are vegan, and they are (again in my mind, but lots of others seem to agree with me) wonderful and lovely people.

You have put at least a partial rocket under my backside @stillvicarinatutu so I am going to contact ITV myself now, and demand ask them what happens to all of the animals after the "Trials". If every other Mumsnetter who reads/has read your posts here, do the same, it might eventually lead to enough pressure being put on to ITV that they will have tell us what happens afterwards, and if their answer is not the one that it should be, they may find that if they want to keep on having an audience, they have to immediately change their disgusting and cruel behaviour.

Thank you for making us think about this OP. Like I said at the beginning of this, another of my mega - far too - long reply posts, you are obviously a lovely person, and just keep on doing what you are already doing, for as long as you are able to. Thank you for being you💐💐💐

WomanWomenGirlsFemale · 18/11/2022 05:44

TheLadyofShalott1 well said .

aroman · 18/11/2022 06:00

Hi OP.

Firstly just wanted to ay well done on this post and for sticking to your convictions, it is absolutely ridiculous that you are having to explain/ justify your diet on here. It is ok to not be vegan and to be concerned about animals being killed for entertainment ffs.

People don't have to be 100% pure before they are allowed to raise any concerns about any animal welfare ever.

Rant over, I agree with you about the show and personally just don't watch it, although it's not my thing anyway. There is no information so obviously something is going on that they don't want people to know about.

Most people just don't question it to be honest. I think all you can really do is boycott the show/ complain/ raise awareness (by threads like this!) and sign petitions.

Anyway, good for you on pusuing the cause and caring about something. Keep it up and ignore haters.

QuinkWashable · 18/11/2022 06:10

I mean, even if it turned out they were hand fed the food of their choice and massaged twice a day for the rest of their lives, I still wouldn't watch that show - I don't get the appeal at all.

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 18/11/2022 06:11

Thanks op, i agree with you, don't watch the show and your thread has made me email the producers via the pp rspca link.

PopsicleHustler · 18/11/2022 06:13

My husband thinks it's a terrible programme of animal abuse. And we come from a religion to respect animals. Our holy book says to treat animals with kindness and to treat animals as if they were humans.

I think it's a hideous programme. I watched it when I was younger and just cringed at the live trials and how awful they were. It's not funny and it's not entertaining.

MissMaple82 · 18/11/2022 06:13

The programme needs to go, RSPCA are doing a petition to get it gone. Its despicable that in 2022 this shit is allowed to happen

SundayAtDevilDirt · 18/11/2022 06:17

This bothers me a lot (and yes, I am vegan( and is one reason I don't watch it. The other is that like all reality TV it's absolute shite.

TroysMammy · 18/11/2022 06:20

I don't watch it because of the animal cruelty during the show and I don't believe the rats and other creatures are loved as pets after the show ends. I also don't watch it because Ant and Dec are arseholes.

Zanatdy · 18/11/2022 06:48

Topgub · 17/11/2022 22:24

You know its not a vegan show? Right?

The animals they kill to eat were sentinent too

Thinking about that comment makes me question how vegan Boy George could go on such a show.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 18/11/2022 09:12

Everyone is "imagining " and guessing but there is absolutely no definitive answer to my question

OK but it’s clearly something that only someone with specific knowledge about the show’s practices can answer. The chances of that person
A. being a Mumsnetter, and
B. Seeing your thread
Are slim.

We are not ITV, you are best to ask them.

Pompomsfantastix · 18/11/2022 11:00

Disagree with pp that it’s no worse to torture an animal for fun than for food (as someone who does neither!). The mentality needed to do the former is much more sinister imo. Are you really saying trophy hunters are no worse than any meat eater?

Pompomsfantastix · 18/11/2022 11:03

aroman · 18/11/2022 06:00

Hi OP.

Firstly just wanted to ay well done on this post and for sticking to your convictions, it is absolutely ridiculous that you are having to explain/ justify your diet on here. It is ok to not be vegan and to be concerned about animals being killed for entertainment ffs.

People don't have to be 100% pure before they are allowed to raise any concerns about any animal welfare ever.

Rant over, I agree with you about the show and personally just don't watch it, although it's not my thing anyway. There is no information so obviously something is going on that they don't want people to know about.

Most people just don't question it to be honest. I think all you can really do is boycott the show/ complain/ raise awareness (by threads like this!) and sign petitions.

Anyway, good for you on pusuing the cause and caring about something. Keep it up and ignore haters.

Agree! It’s the age old tactic of (stupid people) trying to invalidate anyone’s right to holding principles on the basis that everyone is a hypocrite at some level. So boring and trite!

KimberleyClark · 18/11/2022 11:33

This is why I don’t watch I’m a Celebrity.

MollieMarie · 18/11/2022 11:54

Ignore the snarky responses OP. You have empathy, which seems to be rare these days.

AlmostGrinchyTime · 18/11/2022 12:35

IMissVino · 17/11/2022 23:24

If you care so much, why haven’t you actually done anything re finding out, though? Freedom of Information request, write to the RSPCA, write to DEFRA…why have you just ‘Googled and Googled’?

Op has done something. Op has asked here, which makes a lot of sense as someone might know. Their next step might be to explore the other avenues you mentioned but surely even you can see that asking on MN is simpler.

Regarding your point, OP, I've got no idea what itv do with the animals but I assume it's nothing good otherwise they'd announce it all over of the place.

XjustagirlX · 18/11/2022 12:45

I agree with you OP. I cannot stand this show and refuse to watch it. I hate the thought of those poor animals being used for entertainment. I also can’t understand why people want to watch other people suffer. As humans we enjoy that for some reason. We used to watch public hangings. I also refused to watch xfactor type shows as we were encouraged to laugh at mentally ill people.

also you’re not a hypocrite. It’s better to do what you can than do nothing at all. It’s similar to not being fully eco friendly but still owning a car as you can’t afford to replace with an electric car yet.

you sound like a wonderful person!

IMissVino · 18/11/2022 12:45

AlmostGrinchyTime · 18/11/2022 12:35

Op has done something. Op has asked here, which makes a lot of sense as someone might know. Their next step might be to explore the other avenues you mentioned but surely even you can see that asking on MN is simpler.

Regarding your point, OP, I've got no idea what itv do with the animals but I assume it's nothing good otherwise they'd announce it all over of the place.

She claims to have been trying to find out for years. I’m asking why she hasn’t done anything other than ‘Googling and Googling’ (apparently unfruitfully) for years if this is an issue that matters to her.

Surely even you can see that doing nothing else to clarify the situation for years indicates that she’s clearly doesn’t care much as she claims.

IMissVino · 18/11/2022 12:46

AlmostGrinchyTime · 18/11/2022 12:35

Op has done something. Op has asked here, which makes a lot of sense as someone might know. Their next step might be to explore the other avenues you mentioned but surely even you can see that asking on MN is simpler.

Regarding your point, OP, I've got no idea what itv do with the animals but I assume it's nothing good otherwise they'd announce it all over of the place.

She claims to have been trying to find out for years. I’m asking why she hasn’t done anything other than ‘Googling and Googling’ (apparently unfruitfully) for years if this is an issue that matters to her.

Surely even you can see that doing nothing else to clarify the situation for years indicates that she’s clearly doesn’t care much as she claims.