To think Scotland should become independent?

[antelopevalley]

As life continues to get worse in the UK, it is time for Scotland to go independent. We need to build a forward-looking country that invests in its future, rather than the backward-looking country the UK has become that prioritises the rich. It is time for Scotland to separate from the UK and become that country.

DH is Scottish. His family all think the English are stealing Scotland’s wealth and they would have amazing public services and they would all have tons of cash if independent.

It’s a bit Brexit. We’d have more money etc…

Excellent point . I wonder if the rest of the U.K. fully understand what Sturgeon and co are doing to the rights of girls and women in this country ??

Which is actually a great reason for independence. SNP are less likely to get power in an independent Scotland than they are while Scotland is still part of the union.

thankfully this thread isn’t going the way OP wanted it and is highlighting the shitshow that Scotland has to endure due to the idiots who continue to vote SNP.

“Independence” being the very last thing they want, they’d hate to lose out on their Westminster salaries and an ability to blame everything on the English.

but I suspect the OP was hoping to channel this towards “health” provision anyway ammirite?

You seemed very naive from your original post. But this post confirms it. Do you have any idea why infrastructure is required?

Exactly. It’s all that. Blame someone else and then be surprised that’s not the issue in the end.

DH doesn’t want to return to Scotland btw. Especially if they are independent. The anti English behaviour during the last vote was enough. I had a friend who was spat on and told to leave (she’s from Manchester!) so very similar to Brexit.

Mine too, but I encourage them to make their own way.

My DP was told, when campaigning in England, where they lived at the time, to stay in the EU, to go back to Scotland.

Exactly this. ^ I reckon if Scotland DO vote to leave the UK, it will be 2 years tops before they're BEGGING to be let back. They don't know how good they've got it being part of the Union, and how much worse off they'll be if they leave. Be careful what you wish for @antelopevalley

The Scottish electorate chose to remain - no one desperate to cling on in rest of UK. Mostly ambivalent and think it’s up to Scotland. Who chose to stay. A constant state of neverendum till the Nationalists get the answer they want is doing untold damage to Scotland.

On the contrary, the SNP would be actively shaping any independent Scotland via negotiations with the UK Government.

As the party that also achieved it, they'd be highly likely to entrench their support and portray the other three main parties as traitors to Scotland since they tried to prevent it.

As long as people continue to believe the SNP are "stronger for Scotland" they'll be in the driving seat.

But a caveat today....in the words of Nicola Sturgeon "a vote for the SNP is not a vote for another independence referendum". A significant proportion of voters aren't voting because they want independence.

But because they believe the SNP is best placed to represent them and govern WITHIN the UK. Hence, polls tend to show more support for remaining in the UK than the alternative.

Given this is predominantly English forum I don't think you'll get a majority of yanbu 😉

But I'm Scottish and I agree. Obviously lots of posters would rather we went down with the sinking ship.

Off you pop then but last time I looked life for many in Scotland js not too great either

Also please show me your costings and how it will work and not the we will join the eu again , which will take ages and how you propose to build a border etc as a hard border will be needed

I used to like this idea but I don't like the snp very much anymore.

And also England needs Scotland because with Scotland it will all go to shit with a massive, permanent tory majority in perpetuity.

Well said about the UK.

Although I think brexit was driven more by rich people looking to get richer and abolish employment rights etc. Russia saw an opportunity in destabilisation but they weren't the driver.

Yes yes yes!

The thought of an independent Scotland gives me a glimmer of hope after many, many years of things getting worse and worse in the UK. Let's try something different cos England sure as hell isn't going anywhere good.

And so many people missing the point here when slagging off Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP, it's not about that.

If we were independent we can start again with a new political system (no gross, out of touch, old money Tories!) and we can get rid of the SNP if we want.

And yes agree Scotland has waaaaay more valuable resources (wind/sea power, water - which will become very valuable as global warming increases -, oil and tourism to name a few!) than England so yeah I think we'll be fine thanks...

Not this again! What happened to the previous 'once in a lifetime vote yada, yada, yada....?'
Originally I preferred for Scotland to stay within the union but after so much vitriol and anti English bashing from some Scots the time of the last referendum, including friends and family, I'm now just thinking go away or stop with all this bullshit!

@DownNative of course they would be very involved at the start.

But honestly, the Scottish government is designed to make a majority role difficult - and I strongly suspect that the only reason the SNP keep achieving it is because of the prospect of independence. Even if they still have a strong showing in votes post independence, should it happen, they are much less likely to have overall control.

Independence is normal. Finland,Denmark, Germany, Italy etc..how do you think they manage it? And then tell me why we wouldn't?

We have a country rich with resources. Most Indy supporters don't expect utopia and know it will take time to build the country we want. That is an opportunity many of us want to take. I don't want to be part of the UK - I love many people on this island but the political sphere and how it continues to affect this country is no longer tenable.

Their involvement would give the SNP every advantage over every other party.

You're speaking of the CURRENT devolution arrangements put in place by Blair's Labour Government which was meant to be a perpetual advantage for Scottish Labour. And supposed to "kill Nationalism stone dead" - it did the opposite.

An independent Scotland led by the SNP can decide to do away with the devolution arrangements designed to make a single party majority difficult to achieve for one that makes it easier.

There is nothing to suggest it would be easier to keep the SNP out of government post-independence. Mere rhetoric without evidence claiming it'll be harder just won't fly.

From a "foreign" perspective, life in some areas of the U.K. is grim, but Scotland is another level. Aberdeen anyone? If they're going independent, they'd better have a very good plan because, at present, the schools are worse, housing is worse, hospitals are worse, health is worse, the weather.... No wonder people are angry, but does NS really have the solutions?

No it is hilarious!

I've lived in multiple foreign countries and Scotland is highly regarded abroad.

The country certainly has problems to overcome but to suggest it is a worse country than England is magical thinking.

@DownNative there is no way they are going to get rid of proportional representation in Scotland. That's just not going to happen. And while obviously it's impossible to say how voting would go in an independent Scotland, it's clear why SNP are ahead of any other party at the moment. independence gets rid of what is currently one of the main, if not the main, reason to vote for them. It's a logical conclusion to say that their share of the vote is likely to be lower than their share of the vote whole Scotland is within the union.

It's quite funny to see someone try to deny what is likely by suggesting that the SNP might try to skew the way we would vote in an independent Scotland to make it easier for them to stay in power. It's not me that's reaching for straws here.