To think Scotland should become independent?

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As life continues to get worse in the UK, it is time for Scotland to go independent. We need to build a forward-looking country that invests in its future, rather than the backward-looking country the UK has become that prioritises the rich. It is time for Scotland to separate from the UK and become that country.

Scotland could sell water to England.

Watch as the snp fuck everything up even more than they have already!!

Because they demonstrably can’t run:

an education system (cf the curriculum for mediocrity, the devaluing of highers, and our plummet down the international league tables),

a health system (cf the impossibility of accessing health care in large parts of Scotland, including a totally banjaxed ambulance system),

a transport system (try running a business on Arran where there’s no guarantee the boats will run while the government run around saying “nothing to see here” about obvious corruption in the tendering process for ferry contracts)

So let’s give them actual financial independence and watch a kwasi-esque fuck up unfold. It’s like giving toddlers nitroglycerin - our political class is not worthy of our faith.

Scotland costs the UK more than it contributes, so becoming an independent country and funding itself sounds like a great idea.

Again, not true.

www.livebreathescotland.com/would-england-be-richer-without-scotland/

One of our main reasons for moving to Scotland is because Glasgow has a specialist team that can give far better treatment to my children and DH than we were getting in England. It is simply not true that healthcare is not as good. My DD is getting access to medical support she did not get in England.

Pictures you asked what constitutes transphobia these days?

Well objecting to convicted sex offenders having absolutely no barriers to getting themselves a GRC. If they've had the gross misfortune to have been put in prison, they can begin their 3 month process while serving their sentence, have their 'reflection' period in prison too (which will probably be a woman's prison) and then come out, get a GRC and there you go...different name, different sex, different birth certificate. But it's OK because they'll tell everyone who needs to know what their previous name was because they're honest folk.

And yes, if you wear Suffragette colours - transphobe.

The only people who can be Feminists and proud of their female identities are trans women. Women can fxxk off.

I voted Yes last time. I won't this time because I don't want to be cut adrift and be left to bring my children up in this insane SNP project. I can't believe what the SNP is doing. It's so undemocratic.

You have only been here a few months. Give it time and you will see what a mess the SNP have made.

An education system that was once replicated around the world is so poor now, the SNP have refused to publish the OECD report. An NHS which is a devolved matter that is not fit for purpose, the SNP's gender bill, the SNP hate crime bill, the millions of pounds Nicola has hidden ( of public money) for another referendum, the missing SNP money and Mr Sturgeon being investigated for this and let's not even mention the ferries.

So, you've lived in Scotland for what? 5 months? And you've decided Scotland should be independent. I'm sure the Scots pro independence would be pleased. Those with more of a nuanced approach might want to to be resident a little longer before making such a momentous decision.

No. It has never been clear how Scotland would fund itself. We do not need more financial uncertainty now.

On another level I don’t think I could stand the preaching and general unkindness again of another independence vote. The atmosphere in Scotland at the time was pretty awful in the run up to the referendum.

We had a vote, it should now be left for another generation as promised.

If only the English had been given a vote on it, you'd have been independent long ago. The English political class like a bigger country and Scottish resources (pheasant shooting, grouse moors, stag hunting) but noone else can be bothered with somewhere with a total population of 5.5 million.
Campaign for the rest of the Union to get a vote in the referendum - your chances of leaving would be much higher

"In 2020-21, Scotland (including a geographical share of North Sea revenue) raised £62.8 billion in 2020-21, compared to £99.2 billion of public spending for Scotland." - Actual government figures.

You may as well be quoting Wikipedia 😂

Which government, Westminster or Holyrood?

Grouse moors and the like are not Scottish resources. They are rich people's resources. They are for the benefit of rich people and terrible for the environment.

During 22/22 tax revenues in Scotland were £73bn. The block grant to Scotland was £97bn. For every £100 the govt spends per head in England, it spends £127 in Scotland.

I'm Scottish and even I don't think that's particularly fair.

www.deliveringforscotland.gov.uk/scotland-in-the-uk/public-spending/

@Americano75 I'm not sure that using the link below is the best source to demonstrate that England would be worse off financially if Scotland were independent. Although 'Chris from Moray' has a lovely website promoting Scotland and sharing his pictures, I don't think that his view of this topic is possibly the most factual....

www.livebreathescotland.com/would-england-be-richer-without-scotland/

I was just trying to find one that was a less dense read to be honest.

I can never get my head around how hard Westminster fought to keep a hold of us during the last referendum when we're supposedly such a massive drain on resources.

They wouldn't have you.

In fairness @MuraRocker I don't really care and already left to go to the EU so will abandon my UK citizenship before Scotland becomes independent in all likelihood. So it won't affect me but Brexit was terrible for young Scots.

But yes you're all right, Scotland has very little chance of joining the EU and it takes years- as it should. And many nations in the EU shouldn't be but that would be a whole other thread.

I’d agree with you on that

@Americano75

These figures were released by the Chief Economic Director of the Scotland Government. They were requested under a FOI request. I'm not sure the link will work.

www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202200304871/

Of course they are. But it's basically why the English elite and noone else in England wants Scotland. Land, castles, leisure time for the aristos.
The rest of us get to fund it
Hurrah

The sooner, the better. Does anyone seriously believe that the Scots are more incompetent than the crew which as been governing in Westminster for the past 12 years?

My only caveat: no SNP rule in an independent Scotland. I want a fairer Scotland, with a green economy, land reform and the safeguarding of the rights of women and girls.

And for you English thinking that you bank roll us, perhaps get yourself a big better informed.

If you had lived in Scotland longer you would know how good it used to be.

The SNP blame Westminster for everything and that's simply not the case. Education and Health both devolved and absolutely run into the ground. Scottish NHS may be fairing better than the English one but it won't be for long.

Tories are a shitshow but the SNP blame everyone but themselves for things that are entirely in their power.

Come back in 5 years and tell us if you still feel the same way.