To think Scotland should become independent?

[antelopevalley]

As life continues to get worse in the UK, it is time for Scotland to go independent. We need to build a forward-looking country that invests in its future, rather than the backward-looking country the UK has become that prioritises the rich. It is time for Scotland to separate from the UK and become that country.

Are you for real, have you seen the damage the Snazi's have done to our once great country or are you just choosing to ignore it so you can holler "independunce" Is health, education, public safety, women's rights not important to you ? Sturgeon couldn't give a stuff about our country, she failed as a Lawyer and would struggle to get a minimum wage job. She is a proven liar and her band of numpties are more interested in questioning our young people about their sexual habits than tackling our ever growing drugs problem, are you ok with this. Our Island communities are stranded, how long do you think this should go on ? No proud Scot with an ounce of common sense would want that rabble to run our independent country.

Just returned from family visit to Scotland. Live in England now though grew up in Scotland. It’s a shadow of its former self tbh. Public services are dreadful, esp NHS. Sure the SNP give away free stuff (inc to those quite capable of paying for it themselves) but they have banjaxed a once great education system and politicised every aspect of life with their faux self righteous grievance - but a saltire and the word “Scot” plastered on every available public space.

Corruption and cronyism in government contract awarding coupled with total ineptitude and a lack of competence. The ferries scandal is just one example. Vastly over budget and years behind schedule - but hey, Nicola and pals got a lovely photo op and crowed about saving shipbuilding on the Clyde. I mean FFS THEY PAINTED WINDOWS ON AN UNFINISHED HULL OF A BOAT to make it look finished for a pretend “launch”.
Lets not even talk about the Gupta/Lochaber drama coming down the track.

Worse still is the politicisation and indoctrination in schools, growing a generation of little nationalists who think someone else (the English 🤦‍♀️) is to blame for their woes and that the government should be responsible for every aspect of their lives.

A weird acquiescence going on in what was once a nation of great engineers, explorers, thinkers. Now the highest drug deaths in Europe and some of the worst life expectancy.

Tell me how independence - with less money - will improve this.

Do you think the SNP actually want independence or is it the worst thing that could happen to them?

Oh aye, whatever.

It isn't going to happen. And people blindly thinking our wee Parly must be inherently good, kind and socialist in nature must be living in a dream world. Nicola whips dissenters into line and refuses to meet with groups who don't support her increasingly extreme and worrying agenda.

I'm never going to vote for a regime that bans the wearing of stripy scarves in our democratic institutions.

Well said.

Less than half of the electorate in Glasgow turned out at all in the Brexit referendum, and turnout was low across the whole country. The idea that Scots are passionate about the EU is laughable.

no, scotland should not be independent.

I’m so fed up of this, it’s really stifling Scotland.

wow! Your ignorance and naivety on rural matters is shocking, you need to cast a critical eye over your new found bliss.

grouse moors employ a fair few folk round here, supporting many local rural communities and are carefully managed to balance important ecosystems and habitats for wildlife which would simply not exist.

It’s not just a playground for the rich, it brings much needed money into these communities and supports many businesses from, forestry, hoteliers, farming, holiday lets, heather bee keepers (heather honey is found to be comparable with Manuka on health grounds), game keepers, renewable energy…

selling water, load of rubbish there were drought conditions in my area this summer and local reservoirs are still well below desired levels.

wish you all the best for your daughter but you had the luxury to be able to move for better treatment (many people do not have this choice and you would not have been so lucky to do this if the vote had gone the way I voted in 2014).
Where you have been fortunate in the service provided many have not and are fighting for proper treatment; each NHS has different priorities and have to balance their books, please check your privilege.

Nope. Same reasons as Morris and workerbeep

scottish women had to go to court to define what a women is as our government didn’t seem to know

ferries. Gupta steel. Drug deaths nhs.

ffs

Turnout in Scotland - along with regional variations - was broadly in line with the rest of the UK.

So by your measure the idea that the UK were passionate about leaving the EU is laughable.

YANBU

I moved abroad because I can't stand the Little England mentality that's increased massively since Brexit. I feel genuinely sorry for my lovely friends and family members stuck there, especially as Brexit has severely limited their options to move freely throughout the EU.

However with a Scottish DH, l'd love for Scotland to become independent and join the EU. In the meantime, Nicola does need to acknowledge that you can't change your biological sex.

I think turnout was low in Scotland because no one seriously thought the vote would be for leave. In my workplace/social circle most people were shocked and angry at the result, and still are. These huge decisions, which Scotland has minimal sway over, no veto as a country, are why we need independence.

Why have other countries been able to go independent, but it’s not possible for Scotland?

We already said a big firm No. Give it a rest.

I do indeed realise that the fastest way to get some kind of non- snp government in Scotland is to have independence but my argument is that the calibre of civil servants and politicians in this country isn’t high enough to hold any kind of credibility on the international economic stage - we’re going to end up a basket case!

But, but, Emma Harper MSP and Scottish bank notes…

@x2boys

antelopevalley
I agree to leave the EU has massively weakened the UK.
An independent Scotland could rejoin the EU.

If the EU will have them

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The EU would accept Scotland although it would be at least a three year process.

The French would support it (to piss off England). Germany and the smaller nations would support it as they back the idea that the EU is a good thing.
Italy wouldn't care. Spain would object (over Catalonia) but then get told to shut up by Germany.

@MuraRocker

What will you use for currency Nicola when you try to rejoin the EU?

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Either pounds, euros or dollars until they actually join the EU at which point it will have to be euros.

Note Panama has happily used US dollars for over a hundred years without seeing the need to have their own currency or getting "permission " to do so from the US.

If this were true, why are the English government so reluctant to get rid of Scotland?

Scotland brings in plenty of money to the UK, eg, whisky, oil, tourism.

Agreed. You would think if Scotland was such a drain England would be glad to get rid of them.

Any views on English independence you’d care to enlighten us with?

How is the weather where you are OP? Nice day out there is it?

Yanbu. The union is completely corrupt in favour of only one of the four home nations and provides no material benefit to us.

Just look at energy. Scotland produced enough electricity from renewables last year to meet 98% of it's electrical demand (yes I know there are supply and storage issues but in terms of gross consumption v generation that's the percentage) and 5 times more gas than it consumes. Yet despite being completely energy self-sufficient we are not faced with some of the highest energy bills in Europe but also get charged more to supply energy to the grid than England.

Similarly the way we are funded is shocking. Scotland is allocated a budget and cannot raise additional funds through borrowing, while also being required by law to return balanced books every year (i.e., no deficit). England on the other hand make full use of the UKs borrowing powers to fund their budget deficit and any new projects for their sole benefit (hs2 anyone), which Scotland (and the other home nations) not only have to then help pay back said borrowing with intrest but then also have their budgets reduced due to this additional borrowing.

If independence is not going to be allowed (which can't legally be done anyway) then at a minimum England needs to be stopped from abusing the powers of the UK government for their own benefit.

Not of the calibre of Johnson, Truss, Patel, Raab, Rees-Mogg, Dorries, Hancock, Braverman, Cleverly, Shapps, Gove, Coffey, Badenoch...?

Scotland contains 1/3rd of all UK arable land, 2/3rds of all fishing grounds, 2/3s of timber forests, 9/10ths of all fresh water, 9/10th of all remaining oil reserves, 2/3rds of all remaining natural gas reserves, and 1/4 of all of Europe's offshore energy capacity.

And this doesn't even touch on the economic/business/industries we also have within our country.

This abundance of resources is the reason England cling to us and tell us constantly that we are too stupid, too poor, too small to succeed alone.

Anyone who looks at what Scotland has at it's disposal and claims we'd be basket case failures is either corrupt, blind, or suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

@FairyPrincess123 Yep. The standard of politician is so high in the British government. If only Scotland could meet those high standards.