General election tomorrow - who do you vote for?

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I'm so sick of this government and reading a lot of the posts on here, it feels like on the one hand, so are lots of people, but there are also lots of other people who are very sceptical about labour or lib dem or greens. Added to which, there are so many issues at the moment, I know there's a lot of GC and what makes a woman, that is particularly important at the moment, and cost of living, private rentals, the environment, etc etc

So knowing what you know about the parties, if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for..

YABU - Tories
YANBU - Labour
Comment for a third option

I used to be green, but I'm so not sure any more. So I think I'd vote labour, to stand best chance of keeping Tories out. (What I'd really like to vote for is a more representative government)

Labour or Lib Dem. Depends on the candidate.

Like PPs, lifelong Labour voter who will not vote for anyone at next election. I'm a feminist who cares about women's rights and child safeguarding so I can't vote Labour and I'm left wing so don't vote Tory.

And please don't guilt me about the NHS / poverty - it was Labour who started the privatisation process and Labour have nothing but contempt for WC voters unless they huddle along like good sheeple to put a tick next to the red rosette.

@Colourfingers2

They didn’t actually cause Covid to be fair and without the furlough and bounce back loans an awful lot of people would have starved to death through not being able to earn a wage.
Can you imagine Keir Starmer and his party being able to organise something on that scale.
Yes, I can. He's had a real job in the real world, unlike most of the Tories. What the government did was common sense and was replicated by governments of all colours across Europe so there is zero reason to think Labour would have done anything differently - and they might well have done better on track and trace (by following the German model) and the provision of PPE (by not handing out contracts like sweeties to enrich their already wealthy mates).

The man is incapable of making a decision. It was labour that set up Sats and Ofstead
Ofsted was set up under John Major. Maybe look things up before making wild accusations? SATs were rolled out between 1991 and 1995, also under John Major.

as well as bringing us into not one but two illegal wars in a decade.
The Tories enthusiastically supported them. In fact the only dissent came from within the Labour ranks, the Lib Dem ranks and the SNP ranks. It was a bad decision, but you cannot claim the Tories would have done differently.

And what did that accomplish apart from making us a target for islamic terrorism straight after reaching a peace agreement with the IRA.
The Good Friday Agreement was a massive achievement though, which happened with cross party support.

Labour is the party of tax and spend and debt and bankruptcy.
This is a myth.

I wouldn’t trust them to organise a prayer in a monastery.
No politician can be believed or trusted, they haven’t known what the truth is for a generation at least.

Plus the two party system is anything but democratic. One in power and one opposing them then after a few years they swap. C’mon people it’s time for a massive change after 400 years of the same thing isn’t it?
On this I agree with you. We need PR so we can have a broad range of new political parties across the whole political spectrum in a system where every vote counts.

But maybe do a bit of wider reading before you decide who to vote for?

I’m in a swing seat and the current Labour MP is a committed, clever and hardworking local person whom I’d like to vote for BUT she’s bought into the gender/pronoun nonsense, just like her boss. So, even with a GE tomorrow (the premise of the thread) I’m undecided!

Spoilt vote, maybe?

I can’t not vote, because my grandmother suffered the indignity of her younger brothers being eligible to vote before she was, and when I was young, she was passionate and vocal that women should vote. She is long dead but she was my favourite relative and her views have stuck with me.

Labour. Tbh, I would vote for whichever candidate stood the best chance of getting our Tory MP out. In my constituency, Labour is the only realistic chance of achieving that.

I'm not happy with the Labour party's stance on trans issues at all, and I hope they get their act together on this before the general election. However, I don't believe for a minute that anyone who genuinely cares about women's rights would actually vote for the Tories... they might be able to get the rhetoric right about knowing what a woman is, but they don't actually give a shit about women's rights, as their actions have demonstrated.

Labour might not know what a woman is, but I am nonetheless convinced that a Labour government will be much better for women overall than this shitshow of a Tory administration.

Petty much have no confidence in any of them.
I'm old enough to have seen each party have an MP as a PM, even a coalition government were a shit show.

Every party seem to spend their time in office repeatedly blaming the previous party for said shit show instead of concentrating on doing what they promised to do inorder to get voted in.

I'm at a loss now who to vote for but definitely sure Labour wouldn't get my vote.

No one they are all shit

The Tories' covid policy was one of the most insane on earth.

It veered from "play it down, herd immunity is the policy" in early 2020, to lockdown by the end of March 2020. and over 30,000 died in April 2020.

Then veered to Eat Out To Spread the Virus About in August leading to another 40,000 dead and and lockdown again.

Cancelling Christmas for many of us by law or merely because we had older relations we didn't want to kill.

No wonder our economy took one of the worst hits and still hasn't recovered.

And no wonder we had one of the worst death tolls per capita in the world. (26th out of 154.)

Let's not forget either that it's because of the Tories that we weren't prepared.

Austerity had hamstrung the NHS.

Boris Johnson had redeployed crisis preparation civil servants to Brexit when he became PM.

No one could find the strategic reserve of NHS supplies of PPE because its storage had been privatised.

Then the Tories gave lucrative covid testing and PPE contracts to their mates instead of going to the companies and universities etc with the established infrastructure offering their services.

So Tory ideology and cronyism is why we had shortages of PPE, then why we paid over the odds for useless PPE, then paid to store it, then paid to destroy it.

And why testing was such a shit show.

But some Tory donors are much richer now.

So that's nice.

226,000 dead.

I just honestly wish the Conservatives were conservative. They are Labour but on slow speed, asset stripping while they are at it. Labour will just up the ante on mindless progressivism when they get in at the next election. We're about two years behind America usually, so I would expect to see some of the problems they have experienced in their Democrat controlled cities, begin to play out here. Then people will panic and vote then out after say, two terms, and the Tories will just slow it down again, but carry on allowing everything to decay. There's not much between them, except motivation. The Tories are greedy and Labour are deluded ideologues. Same result in the end.

You do accept that all the current erosion of women's rights and spaces has happened under a Tory government don't you?

If its an option in my constituency (I doubt it will be but if it is) I shall most probably vote for The Other Party (who will officially launch their ideas in the next few months)

If they arent an option Im probably going to register my disgust for the current options by spoiling my ballot paper. I could never vote Tory. And although Im usually a labour supporter Im reluctant to vote for them until they've figured out what a woman is.

For the first time ever I can’t bring myself to vote for any of the big parties so I’ll probably go for one of the ransoms no one has ever heard of at the bottom of the paper.

I'll vote for the party most likely to unseat the Tories in my constituency.

I think it will be Labour as looks like most likely to unseat current Tory MP.

To be fair Margaret Thatcher sold off electricity, gas, water, the post office, British telecom and council houses 50 years ago leading directly to many of the problems we are facing today, so Tories asset stripping our country isn't a new thing.

Nowadays they do it by say paying Serco to house asylum seekers then not processing asylum applications for years and years so Serco get plenty of juicy profits out of our taxes.

There are people who applied in 2018 still waiting for a decision to maximise the amount of taxpayers money we pay Serco.

Serco is one of those companies that exists solely to funnel the UK people's money into Tory pockets.

New Labour of Blair & Brown was definitely better for women than Tories. Please explain to me how the current Labour party is going to improve women's rights and lives?

@verdantverdure hence why I want Boris Johnson to face charges of manslaughter, at least for those in the public sector who died.

As for the original question, whoever will get my Tory MP out.

Same.

I've almost always lived in Tory safe seats so it will be nice to see some of them becoming a bit less "safe".

Labour on the basis that our local MP is a good one and does a lot of good things for his constituency. Not voting labour here is pointless anyway but at least he’s good. I did the same last time despite that idiot Corbyn being his party leader and this time despite that idiot Starmer being party his party leader. As a side note, for all those saying they won’t vote that’s effectively a vote for the current government IMO.

I would spoil my ballot paper, there is no point voting for any of them they're all incompetent, useless charlatans.

I wouldn't abstain because I'm a big believer in you've got the right to vote use it, if you don't, you've waved your right to voice your opinion on politics.

I think it's a vain hope but I hear you.

I think it's our responsibility to vote for serious, competent people who are capable of doing the job.

And to never again vote for lying liars telling us what we want to hear.

I'm astounded how many women seem to be easily manipulated by a Tory slogan on a wedge issue.

It's like Brexit all over again.

As a woman i can’t vote Labour or Lib Dem until they work out the difference between a penis and a vagina.

Here are some links to begin to answer your question -

On ending violence against women and girls
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Ending-Violence-Against-Women-and-Girls-Green-Paper.pdf?1

On improving the situation at work for women
https://labour.org.uk/page/a-new-deal-for-working-people/

Lots more on their website including NHS reform, childcare reform, environmental improvements.

Ok, but you're being manipulated by a slogan, just like people were with Brexit.

I think it will be Lib Dem for me, but I'm not fussy.

It's not as if either of them could be any worse