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General election tomorrow - who do you vote for?

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IaminRome · 15/11/2022 19:12

I'm so sick of this government and reading a lot of the posts on here, it feels like on the one hand, so are lots of people, but there are also lots of other people who are very sceptical about labour or lib dem or greens. Added to which, there are so many issues at the moment, I know there's a lot of GC and what makes a woman, that is particularly important at the moment, and cost of living, private rentals, the environment, etc etc

So knowing what you know about the parties, if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for..

YABU - Tories
YANBU - Labour
Comment for a third option

I used to be green, but I'm so not sure any more. So I think I'd vote labour, to stand best chance of keeping Tories out. (What I'd really like to vote for is a more representative government)

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AnarchoTyrannosaurus · 29/05/2023 20:31

Women and girls will suffer the consequences of labours policies, should we ever be unfortunate enough to see them in power.

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 20:33

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 19:56

And yet it is the vulnerable women and girls who will/already are suffering the consequences of the LP pretending that males can be women.
How about the female prisoners incarcerated with male rapists? It's happening.
Vulnerable ill woman on a female ward raped by a transwoman? Happened already.
Teenage girls getting infections because they daren't used the school loos because the loos are mixed sex to appease the militant trans lobby? Happening every day.
Vulnerable elderly women denied same sex carers as this is deemed transphobic?
And on and on it goes - and this is BEFORE self id. WTF happens when the LP make it law?

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Do remind me which government these things are happening under?

The Tories, much lauded as the party that knows what a woman is, have done nothing to safeguard women and children.

As for the assertions that those of us who want to see the end of the current government need to "accept" that women will be worse off under Labour - no we don't. You can have your view but don't tell me what I have to "accept".

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 20:34

pointythings · 29/05/2023 20:27

And yet it is the vulnerable women and girls who will/already are suffering the consequences of the LP pretending that males can be women.

How can vulnerable women and girls be suffering the consequences of the LP's policies when Labour are not in power?

Honestly, some GC extremists aren't just blinkered, they have a bucket on their heads.

Absolutely.

EpicChaos · 29/05/2023 20:37

At this stage, we'd be as well off if we all voted for the MRLP! ( Depending on it's stance regarding the woo woo )
I have no intention of supporting anyone that would help put starmer into number 10 - i don 't trust him whatsoever, the libdems and the greens are a waste of oxygen ant the tories, well, what can you say about them?!

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 20:38

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 20:33

Do remind me which government these things are happening under?

The Tories, much lauded as the party that knows what a woman is, have done nothing to safeguard women and children.

As for the assertions that those of us who want to see the end of the current government need to "accept" that women will be worse off under Labour - no we don't. You can have your view but don't tell me what I have to "accept".

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Where have I told you what to accept?

And yes my post was clumsily worded - I was trying to show that things that are happening now would be much worse under the LP. The Tories are at least trying to stem the tide and row back from this bullshit the LP, Greens, Lib Dems are all in. It is a bleak future for women and girls if the LP get anywhere near power - look at the open misogyny of Drakeford FFS.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 20:40

pointythings · 29/05/2023 20:27

And yet it is the vulnerable women and girls who will/already are suffering the consequences of the LP pretending that males can be women.

How can vulnerable women and girls be suffering the consequences of the LP's policies when Labour are not in power?

Honestly, some GC extremists aren't just blinkered, they have a bucket on their heads.

Yes badly worded as I have explained above.

'GC extremist' is presumably your term for a person who understands that biological sex is immutable and who wants to protect women and girls from harm.

Ok then.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 20:41

EpicChaos · 29/05/2023 20:37

At this stage, we'd be as well off if we all voted for the MRLP! ( Depending on it's stance regarding the woo woo )
I have no intention of supporting anyone that would help put starmer into number 10 - i don 't trust him whatsoever, the libdems and the greens are a waste of oxygen ant the tories, well, what can you say about them?!

Yes this is where many of us find ourselves - no one to vote for at all.

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/05/2023 20:51

So who are you going to vote for that isn’t going to throw women under the bus? Because it certainly isn’t the Tory Party and what is any single issue party going to do about the myriad of other problems in this country that the Tory party has caused which are also adversely affecting women.

No good knowing what a woman is if that woman is having to go without meals to ensure her children have food. Or is unable to access healthcare. Or is burnt out juggling work and caring responsibilities (let’s face it it will be women taking on more) because the social care system is underfunded and short staffed. Or is burnt out because she works in health or social care and is essentially trying to do the work of more than one person because the huge recruitment issues. Or waits years for a rape case to get to trial (if it gets that far) because the justice system is fucked. Or welfare cuts and benefits sanctions which I’d guess disproportionately affects women, particularly single parents. And that’s before you even get onto more general things like cuts to legal aid, reduced employee rights and increased food poverty, increased fuel poverty under the Tories.

If people are happy to vote for the Tories over labour on the basis that labour say trans women are women then you don’t really give a fuck about women because you are quite happy for them to be thrown under all the other buses. Just not the gender ID one.

pointythings · 29/05/2023 20:52

No, a GC extremist is someone who sees all transwomen as inherently predatory by nature and isn't who makes unfounded assumptions about what a political party might do once they are in power. I have no argument about biological sex - what makes the extreme is what is done with that argument.

I only hope that people who will spoil a ballot solely on this issue are so small in numbers that they won't put the Tories back in power and condemn millions - very many of them women - to 5 more years of austerity, exploitation and yes - the same policies they're professing to be so worried about.

pointythings · 29/05/2023 20:58

@RafaistheKingofClay well said.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 21:13

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/05/2023 20:51

So who are you going to vote for that isn’t going to throw women under the bus? Because it certainly isn’t the Tory Party and what is any single issue party going to do about the myriad of other problems in this country that the Tory party has caused which are also adversely affecting women.

No good knowing what a woman is if that woman is having to go without meals to ensure her children have food. Or is unable to access healthcare. Or is burnt out juggling work and caring responsibilities (let’s face it it will be women taking on more) because the social care system is underfunded and short staffed. Or is burnt out because she works in health or social care and is essentially trying to do the work of more than one person because the huge recruitment issues. Or waits years for a rape case to get to trial (if it gets that far) because the justice system is fucked. Or welfare cuts and benefits sanctions which I’d guess disproportionately affects women, particularly single parents. And that’s before you even get onto more general things like cuts to legal aid, reduced employee rights and increased food poverty, increased fuel poverty under the Tories.

If people are happy to vote for the Tories over labour on the basis that labour say trans women are women then you don’t really give a fuck about women because you are quite happy for them to be thrown under all the other buses. Just not the gender ID one.

Why do you assume that not voting Labour means that people will vote Tory? I am an ex LP member ashamed of what the LP has become and will spoil my ballot with a feminist sticker as I did last time.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 21:17

pointythings · 29/05/2023 20:52

No, a GC extremist is someone who sees all transwomen as inherently predatory by nature and isn't who makes unfounded assumptions about what a political party might do once they are in power. I have no argument about biological sex - what makes the extreme is what is done with that argument.

I only hope that people who will spoil a ballot solely on this issue are so small in numbers that they won't put the Tories back in power and condemn millions - very many of them women - to 5 more years of austerity, exploitation and yes - the same policies they're professing to be so worried about.

I see all men as inherently predatory. We set up safeguarding of girls and women because of this and the good guys don't complain because they understand safeguarding.
Transwomen are men and so women and girls should be safeguarded from them in the same way that we do for all other men - they are not some sacred caste. Making certain groups of men in to a sacred caste is extremely dangerous.

The Party has TOLD YOU what they will do if they get in to power - wake up!

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 21:27

@TinyTopknot so you're a GC extremist then.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 21:29

😂😂

pointythings · 29/05/2023 21:36

I see all men as inherently predatory.

That is a very extreme position indeed.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 21:43

pointythings · 29/05/2023 20:27

And yet it is the vulnerable women and girls who will/already are suffering the consequences of the LP pretending that males can be women.

How can vulnerable women and girls be suffering the consequences of the LP's policies when Labour are not in power?

Honestly, some GC extremists aren't just blinkered, they have a bucket on their heads.

Labour think the Tories are terrible transphobes who haven't gone far enough!

Are they going to be the ones to wrestle the gender borg under control and put this shit back in its box where it belongs?

I do not think so.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 21:45

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 21:27

@TinyTopknot so you're a GC extremist then.

Gender critical feminists simply believe in the importance, immutability and binary nature of biological sex.

There is no such thing as being a gender critical extremist, the same way there is no such thing as being a "the earth is spherical and orbits around the sun" extremist.

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 21:45

pointythings · 29/05/2023 21:36

I see all men as inherently predatory.

That is a very extreme position indeed.

Very.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 21:47

pointythings · 29/05/2023 20:52

No, a GC extremist is someone who sees all transwomen as inherently predatory by nature and isn't who makes unfounded assumptions about what a political party might do once they are in power. I have no argument about biological sex - what makes the extreme is what is done with that argument.

I only hope that people who will spoil a ballot solely on this issue are so small in numbers that they won't put the Tories back in power and condemn millions - very many of them women - to 5 more years of austerity, exploitation and yes - the same policies they're professing to be so worried about.

Unfounded assumptions? Labour have been very clear that they intend to introduce self ID.

I don't see all trans women as inherently predatory any more than I see all men as inherently predatory.

We still keep all men out of women's spaces, because there's no way of distinguishing, in either fact or law, between the predatory ones and the safe ones. That remains true regardless of whether the person in question has any kind of gender identity.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 21:48

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/05/2023 20:51

So who are you going to vote for that isn’t going to throw women under the bus? Because it certainly isn’t the Tory Party and what is any single issue party going to do about the myriad of other problems in this country that the Tory party has caused which are also adversely affecting women.

No good knowing what a woman is if that woman is having to go without meals to ensure her children have food. Or is unable to access healthcare. Or is burnt out juggling work and caring responsibilities (let’s face it it will be women taking on more) because the social care system is underfunded and short staffed. Or is burnt out because she works in health or social care and is essentially trying to do the work of more than one person because the huge recruitment issues. Or waits years for a rape case to get to trial (if it gets that far) because the justice system is fucked. Or welfare cuts and benefits sanctions which I’d guess disproportionately affects women, particularly single parents. And that’s before you even get onto more general things like cuts to legal aid, reduced employee rights and increased food poverty, increased fuel poverty under the Tories.

If people are happy to vote for the Tories over labour on the basis that labour say trans women are women then you don’t really give a fuck about women because you are quite happy for them to be thrown under all the other buses. Just not the gender ID one.

I WOULD REALLY FUCKING LOVE THERE TO BE A PARTY WHICH ISN'T GOING TO THROW WOMEN UNDER THE BUS AND DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU AREN'T MORE ANGRY THAT THERE ISN'T ONE, AND THAT LABOUR ISN'T THAT PARTY.

Jesus.

SwordToFlamethrower · 29/05/2023 22:25

No idea. Until starmer makes it clear he is for protecting women's rights and spaces, I've got no one to vote for.

Blossomtoes · 29/05/2023 22:43

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 19:56

And yet it is the vulnerable women and girls who will/already are suffering the consequences of the LP pretending that males can be women.
How about the female prisoners incarcerated with male rapists? It's happening.
Vulnerable ill woman on a female ward raped by a transwoman? Happened already.
Teenage girls getting infections because they daren't used the school loos because the loos are mixed sex to appease the militant trans lobby? Happening every day.
Vulnerable elderly women denied same sex carers as this is deemed transphobic?
And on and on it goes - and this is BEFORE self id. WTF happens when the LP make it law?

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Which party has been in power while those things have happened. “Knowing what a woman is” is just words. Why hasn’t the party that trumpets this put its money where its mouth is? It’s just empty rhetoric.

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 22:48

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 21:45

Very.

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If this is such an extreme position can you please explain why we have single sex facilities? It is to keep women and girls safe because SOME men are predatory but we do not know which so we treat ALL men as potentially predatory to keep us safe. It is called safeguarding.

Not that extreme is it?

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 23:15

TinyTopknot · 29/05/2023 22:48

If this is such an extreme position can you please explain why we have single sex facilities? It is to keep women and girls safe because SOME men are predatory but we do not know which so we treat ALL men as potentially predatory to keep us safe. It is called safeguarding.

Not that extreme is it?

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I think it's extreme to assume that all men are predatory by default.

I don't know anyone in real life who thinks like that. I only see it on here.

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