General election tomorrow - who do you vote for?

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I'm so sick of this government and reading a lot of the posts on here, it feels like on the one hand, so are lots of people, but there are also lots of other people who are very sceptical about labour or lib dem or greens. Added to which, there are so many issues at the moment, I know there's a lot of GC and what makes a woman, that is particularly important at the moment, and cost of living, private rentals, the environment, etc etc

So knowing what you know about the parties, if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for..

YABU - Tories
YANBU - Labour
Comment for a third option

I used to be green, but I'm so not sure any more. So I think I'd vote labour, to stand best chance of keeping Tories out. (What I'd really like to vote for is a more representative government)

Just because the Tories are incompetent, that doesn't mean Labour will be competent.

It doesn't matter how many are committed by actual trans women if all a male rapist needs to do to gain access to women's spaces is say he is a woman!

I am a natural Labour voter but their out and out misogyny, most recently over their lack of understanding of women's rights with regard to self id for transwomen, anti-Semitism and poor treatment of excellent MPs such as Rosie Duffield means that I shall not be voting for them. Ever again in fact.

Spoiled ballot for me for the second GE in a row.

This.

I used to sit for life drawing classes. Been there, got the tshirt. I’m not remotely bothered by who sees me naked - they might not like it much these days.

You do you. But you have no right to consent for other women or girls.

I disagree. Women died so I have the right to vote. I’m certainly not going to spit on their graves by not using my vote. Equally I have enough integrity not to vote for a party I don’t believe in. Hence spoiling my paper in 2019.

How do you work out that I’m consenting on other people’s behalf? I am doing me.

@MargotBamborough I invite you to consider all those sex offenders who don't need to gain access to female spaces in order to ogle females - lifeguards in pools and gyms, cleaners everywhere, workers in retail spaces - really, the list is endless.

Don't get me wrong, transwomen do not belong in female prisons. But your assumption that Labour would blithely push this is just plain ridiculous. Meanwhile it's because of the Tories that we do not have a law against misogyny. It wasn't Labour MPs who voted against in their numbers. And meanwhile, young people like my youngest DC will continue to be vilified for being disabled, have any kind of support refused, have to fight for PIP (they're in the midsts of this right now). The corruption will continue. The economy will tank. Our seas and rivers will continue to be filled with shit.

Not voting means tacitly approving the status quo - all of it. I can only hope that the likes of you are small enough in numbers that we do actually get a different government. Ideally I'd like a Lib/Lab coalition with major electoral reform put into play, but we have to start somewhere.

Spoiling your ballot paper isn't tacitly approving the status quo, it's saying the status quo is shit and so is the alternative.

Voting Labour is expressly approving their anti woman agenda, and that just isn't something I'm willing to do.

Because we've seen this before. Every vote for a party other than the Lib Dems was taken to be a vote in favour of getting Brexit done. And every vote for a party other than the Tories will be taken to be a vote in favour of self ID, regardless of the actual reasons why people (including many people who are opposed to self ID) voted for those parties.

I won't let my vote be misinterpreted in this way, so I have no choice but to spoil my ballot.

It is utterly despicable to use people's desperation about the state of the economy and the NHS as an opportunity to implement dangerous and unfair policies which will have a hugely negative effect on women and girls. If Labour get elected it will be because people think things can't get any worse than they are under the Tories, not because they agree that women can have penises. But Labour will claim that their win by default is proof that people support their (anti)progressive agenda.

Every vote for a party other than the Lib Dems was taken to be a vote in favour of getting Brexit done.

Not by everyone, it wasn't.

And every vote for a party other than the Tories will be taken to be a vote in favour of self ID,

Not by everyone, it won't be.

That kind of blinkered zero-sum thinking is why the UK is in the state it's in. I am not fool enough to stoop to it.

The NHS did not keep stats on the victims.

As rape can only happen with a penis, all those 33 rapes a week in the NHS are by men. The stats don't break down the protected characteristic of each rapist, they don't say how man are disabled, married, their race, sexuality or gender identity etc.

And I'm not fool enough to believe Labour on women's rights after seeing how they shafted remainers as soon as they'd got their votes.

Lib/Lab you say? Seen this?

https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1660964119602683907

@TinyTopknot I don't know how many more times I have to say it on this thread, but the trans issue is just not my top priority right now. It can move up the ranks when the Tories are no longer in power.

And yes, I have a daughter. She feels the same.

Right but there are many women who don't feel the same. Many of them are actually vulnerable and marginalised, unlike the men who believe they are women and whose needs are apparently more important than all of ours.

Why doesn't Labour care about those women?

Even if we agree for the sake of this argument that Labour is capable of fixing the economy and the NHS and all the rest of it, why should we have to choose between that and women's rights?

Why can't Labour just be pro women?

I strongly agree with this. As I said I have no time for single issue voters who can't see further than their perception that nothing but their antipathy to self ID matters and are prepared to shaft vulnerable members of society - including many women.

I'm glad I don't know anyone expressing that view quite frankly.

Instead of sneering at people for not having the same priorities as you, how about you start writing letters to your Labour MP or candidate begging them to drop their anti woman policies before the next election?

You call it sneering. I'm expressing my opinion of them.

You also have no idea what communication I may or may not have had with my local Labour candidates.

To what end?

All you're doing is making me even more determined not to vote Labour.

I don't care how you vote or don't vote quite frankly. It's of no interest to me. I've made my opinion of single issue voters and spoiling votes on that basis quite clear. You have your view and I have mine.

And my communication with the local Labour Party is none of your business either.

But I don't care about your opinion of me.

You appear to think that Labour simply not being the Tories is a good enough reason to vote them into power even though we know they plan to throw women and girls under a bus, in a way which probably can't be fixed afterwards.

It isn't. Not for me. Not for many others.

You and all the rest of the "get the Tories out!" brigade need to accept that.

And yet it is the vulnerable women and girls who will/already are suffering the consequences of the LP pretending that males can be women.
How about the female prisoners incarcerated with male rapists? It's happening.
Vulnerable ill woman on a female ward raped by a transwoman? Happened already.
Teenage girls getting infections because they daren't used the school loos because the loos are mixed sex to appease the militant trans lobby? Happening every day.
Vulnerable elderly women denied same sex carers as this is deemed transphobic?
And on and on it goes - and this is BEFORE self id. WTF happens when the LP make it law?

I agree but they will not listen. Tribal voters will vote for the LP whatever the fuck they do. Grim.

And yet it is the vulnerable women and girls who will/already are suffering the consequences of the LP pretending that males can be women.

How can vulnerable women and girls be suffering the consequences of the LP's policies when Labour are not in power?

Honestly, some GC extremists aren't just blinkered, they have a bucket on their heads.