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General election tomorrow - who do you vote for?

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IaminRome · 15/11/2022 19:12

I'm so sick of this government and reading a lot of the posts on here, it feels like on the one hand, so are lots of people, but there are also lots of other people who are very sceptical about labour or lib dem or greens. Added to which, there are so many issues at the moment, I know there's a lot of GC and what makes a woman, that is particularly important at the moment, and cost of living, private rentals, the environment, etc etc

So knowing what you know about the parties, if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for..

YABU - Tories
YANBU - Labour
Comment for a third option

I used to be green, but I'm so not sure any more. So I think I'd vote labour, to stand best chance of keeping Tories out. (What I'd really like to vote for is a more representative government)

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Kiwano · 29/05/2023 16:17

I never understand what people hope to achieve by spoiling their ballot paper. All that happens is that some harassed vote counter and/or assistant returning officer has a quick look and chucks it to one side. No-one actually pays any attention, so why take the trouble and turn up to vote at all?

Kiwano · 29/05/2023 16:19

Now we are supposed to just accept it. So if someone like Levi Bellfield enters a women's single sex space for the purpose of finding someone to attack, we cannot say anything. He cannot be challenged. Because he might be a trans woman and so we would be committing a transphobic hate crime to question his right to be there.

So why do people who are concerned about this want to vote Tory if that is the situation now? Surely that is down to no-one but the Tories?

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 16:21

Kiwano · 29/05/2023 16:19

Now we are supposed to just accept it. So if someone like Levi Bellfield enters a women's single sex space for the purpose of finding someone to attack, we cannot say anything. He cannot be challenged. Because he might be a trans woman and so we would be committing a transphobic hate crime to question his right to be there.

So why do people who are concerned about this want to vote Tory if that is the situation now? Surely that is down to no-one but the Tories?

You'll have to ask someone who wants to vote Tory.

But Labour clearly think the Tories haven't gone far enough with their trans policy so they certainly won't be the ones to fix it.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 16:22

Kiwano · 29/05/2023 16:17

I never understand what people hope to achieve by spoiling their ballot paper. All that happens is that some harassed vote counter and/or assistant returning officer has a quick look and chucks it to one side. No-one actually pays any attention, so why take the trouble and turn up to vote at all?

Because you're saying that all of the options are beyond the pale, not that you're a lazy toerag whi couldn't be bothered to get out of bed on election day.

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:24

Kiwano · 29/05/2023 16:17

I never understand what people hope to achieve by spoiling their ballot paper. All that happens is that some harassed vote counter and/or assistant returning officer has a quick look and chucks it to one side. No-one actually pays any attention, so why take the trouble and turn up to vote at all?

I would rather vote for a not completely ideal candidate and write to them and their party leader and tell them I meant them my vote despite their position on xy and z but they shouldn't count on it the next time.

Owlglasses · 29/05/2023 16:24

Who should we vote for if we are concerned about this?

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:26

Kiwano · 29/05/2023 16:19

Now we are supposed to just accept it. So if someone like Levi Bellfield enters a women's single sex space for the purpose of finding someone to attack, we cannot say anything. He cannot be challenged. Because he might be a trans woman and so we would be committing a transphobic hate crime to question his right to be there.

So why do people who are concerned about this want to vote Tory if that is the situation now? Surely that is down to no-one but the Tories?

And If you're in a Tory safe seat and you don't vote "against" them by voting for the candidate most likely to beat them then you might as well have voted Tory mightn't you?

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 16:27

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:24

I would rather vote for a not completely ideal candidate and write to them and their party leader and tell them I meant them my vote despite their position on xy and z but they shouldn't count on it the next time.

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There's "not completely ideal" and then there's "don't believe female people should have the right to exist in law and language".

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 16:31

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:26

And If you're in a Tory safe seat and you don't vote "against" them by voting for the candidate most likely to beat them then you might as well have voted Tory mightn't you?

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You're not getting it.

I felt strongly about doing whatever I could to vote my Tory MP (Jeremy Hunt) out, even if it wasn't likely to work, in all previous elections.

I no longer feel strongly enough about getting the Tories out to do that.

Getting the Tories out means getting Labour in. I don't want Labour in either. I don't think any of these people are even vaguely competent to govern.

So yes, one of them will win. It will be shit whichever one of them wins because they are both shit.

My vote has always been a protest vote. It used to be a protest vote against the Tories. Now it's a protest vote against all of them.

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 16:37

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 16:22

Because you're saying that all of the options are beyond the pale, not that you're a lazy toerag whi couldn't be bothered to get out of bed on election day.

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Nobody cares except you. It's not an intervention that anyone takes any notice of ( just a pointless self indulgence. The effect in terms of the result is just the same as if you hadn't voted at all.

HRTQueen · 29/05/2023 16:40

Labour

ive always voted Labour apart from when Jeremy Corbyn led the party I voted for the Green party then

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:41

We have the same MP @MargotBamborough

I think nobody can be as shit as the Tories have been for the last 8 years.

I'm prepared to roll the dice and give literally anyone else a crack at it.

Lib Dems, Labour, Lib-Lab Pact.

Anything to get the Tories out.

Then we go from there.

Because none of us are getting what we need until we do.

FifteenQuarter · 29/05/2023 16:43

Kiwano · 29/05/2023 16:17

I never understand what people hope to achieve by spoiling their ballot paper. All that happens is that some harassed vote counter and/or assistant returning officer has a quick look and chucks it to one side. No-one actually pays any attention, so why take the trouble and turn up to vote at all?

I have been unhoused politically.

I want my vote counted as spoilt. I also know it makes politicians irate, as I was once in a political party. I have no plans to insult them personally, just register that they insult me personally with their policies.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 16:43

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 16:37

Nobody cares except you. It's not an intervention that anyone takes any notice of ( just a pointless self indulgence. The effect in terms of the result is just the same as if you hadn't voted at all.

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But I don't much care about the result. None of them are fit to govern.

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:44

TiredOfCleaning · 29/05/2023 15:56

I will hold my nose and vote Tory.

Fucking useless bit labour and the Lib Dems stand for nothing feasible.

It's a joke

Who would you vote for ideally?

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:45

But I don't much care about the result. None of them are fit to govern.

I think we know that about the party who are currently supposed to be governing, but can't really say that about the others @MargotBamborough

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:47

Owlglasses · 29/05/2023 16:24

Who should we vote for if we are concerned about this?

That's the thing, isn't it?

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 16:49

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:41

We have the same MP @MargotBamborough

I think nobody can be as shit as the Tories have been for the last 8 years.

I'm prepared to roll the dice and give literally anyone else a crack at it.

Lib Dems, Labour, Lib-Lab Pact.

Anything to get the Tories out.

Then we go from there.

Because none of us are getting what we need until we do.

I think it's very dangerous to say things couldn't be worse. Of course they could. They pretty much always could.

If the Tories were the Nazis then yes, I'd vote for whoever to get them out.

And if any of the other options were more palatable to me than the Tories, I'd vote for that option.

But they're not.

Self ID is an absolute disaster. Much like Brexit, I can't see any easy way it could be reversed. It's much easier not to grant people rights (that they should not have) in the first place than it is to grant them and then take them away again.

So if self ID is introduced, we will just watch the negative impact it has on the rest of us, particularly women, and be powerless to do anything about it, because once that shit is out of Pandora's Box, it's not going back in again.

So actually, on balance, I want Labour to lose because of this "women can have a penis" bullshit. They won't rethink this policy because harm is being done to women, because if they would, they would already have done so. They don't care about women being raped in prison. They don't care about rape survivors not having access to single sex counselling. They don't care about women's sports. They only care about votes.

The only way they'll abandon this craziness is if they find themselves in opposition for another 5 years because of it.

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:59

The only way they'll abandon this craziness is if they find themselves in opposition for another 5 years because of it

The problem with that plan is that they won't will they?

The rest of us who need the NHS and the economy saved will vote for them.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 17:01

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:59

The only way they'll abandon this craziness is if they find themselves in opposition for another 5 years because of it

The problem with that plan is that they won't will they?

The rest of us who need the NHS and the economy saved will vote for them.

Which means we'll get self ID and women and girls will pay the price for decades to come.

I'm so so angry that Labour are putting us in this position. What the fuck are they playing at?

I wish I could vote for Louise Irvine again.

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 17:03

And as I said before, I have serious doubts about their ability to save the economy and the NHS anyway. They're playing 6th form debate club level politics. I don't think any of them have a clue how to run a country.

FifteenQuarter · 29/05/2023 17:06

verdantverdure · 29/05/2023 16:59

The only way they'll abandon this craziness is if they find themselves in opposition for another 5 years because of it

The problem with that plan is that they won't will they?

The rest of us who need the NHS and the economy saved will vote for them.

Women have no NHS, have you seen Annexe B?

Women are taxed at the same rate as men for access to the NHS, unlike men they also have an additional charge, the NHS staff pimp women out, as unconsentual proofs for colleagues or patients sexual activity carried out in public. 33 rapes a year happen in the NHS. It's Russian roulette if you use the NHS.

FifteenQuarter · 29/05/2023 17:07

Props not proofs

ilovesooty · 29/05/2023 17:12

MargotBamborough · 29/05/2023 17:03

And as I said before, I have serious doubts about their ability to save the economy and the NHS anyway. They're playing 6th form debate club level politics. I don't think any of them have a clue how to run a country.

Historically parties don't win elections : other parties lose them.

And there is plenty of evidence over the past 13 years of the Tories' incompetence in terms of running the country.

pointythings · 29/05/2023 17:16

33 rapes a year happen in the NHS.

And how many happen outside the NHS? I mean, two wrongs don't make a right, but out of those 33 rapes how many are documented to have been committed by transwomen? Those numbers matter.